For those who are not upgrading - Page 2

tubemonkey · 09-28-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yolina

She doesn't fall for that kind of stuff

and would be far more interested in catching the actual pointer rather than the dot. Plus she turns the pages with her head anyway

There's always one in the bunch going against the norm

markbot · 09-28-2014, 04:16 PM

It's a let down. They should have released the Voyage at $150 or lower. it should have just replaced the PW.

Also, they really needed to increase screen size for the Voyage without increasing the size of the device.

Arrghus · 09-28-2014, 05:33 PM

I bought the PW2 literally days before the announcement. Might I have held off? Maybe... though my Nook STG was driving me nuts.

(I appreciate the work that has gone into CoolReader for eInk but ColorDict is not the same as a real dictionary, and there was way no of keeping my progress in sync between my phone, Slatebook, and eReader).

The price is a real bummer, and quite honestly, as there looks to be little in the way of a software upgrade (with any trickling down to the PW2 anyway), I don't think the pseudo-physical page turning buttons warrant such a steep price tag. The screen on the PW2 is a vast improvement over the Nook... much more evenly lit, and very sharp text. I won't go over why I love the PW2 so much here... but I do so far... and the Voyage won't be any better at the already great software level.

All I need now is to find my perfect case (I've returned three to Amazon already; waiting on a Marware Eco-flip tomorrow).

(Side-note: I don't like this whole thinner is always better thang either: I actually found the PW2 in its official cover very uncomfortable to hold.)

rcentros · 09-28-2014, 06:03 PM

I would have picked 1, 2 and 3 if I could have. I did pick 2. Just no real reason to buy one, but, if there was a reason, it would be more expensive than I would want to pay for an eReader. And 3), I'm happy with what I have.

booklover6 · 09-28-2014, 08:48 PM

I choose all of them!

1. Price --higher than I can afford, because
2. I have so many readers now (but I can rationalize another, if the price is right)
3. My current readers are doing just great! And I find their software superior to the Kindle.
4. At this time, the Voyage does not offer me enough value to compensate for the price. Reviews could change my mind, though the price is still a barrier, for me.

rcentros · 09-28-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by booklover6

4. At this time, the Voyage does not offer me enough value to compensate for the price. Reviews could change my mind, though the price is still a barrier, for me.

Well, that's the other thing. No one has even seen of these things yet.

dsmid · 09-29-2014, 05:47 AM

All of them

soulfuldog · 09-29-2014, 06:40 AM

I'm with booklover6 & dsmid. All of the above.

As I can't choose more than one option, I'll just not vote.

HarryT · 09-29-2014, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Arrghus

The price is a real bummer, and quite honestly, as there looks to be little in the way of a software upgrade (with any trickling down to the PW2 anyway), I don't think the pseudo-physical page turning buttons warrant such a steep price tag.

It's the screen that warrants the price increase, not the page-turn buttons. It's a new screen with a very high-resolution, and probably very low production yields at first.

Arrghus · 09-29-2014, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It's the screen that warrants the price increase, not the page-turn buttons. It's a new screen with a very high-resolution, and probably very low production yields at first.

You're probably right, but the text on the PW2 already looks better than most mass paperbacks. My old Nook did look a little fuzzy with pixellated fonts; the PW2 does not, unless I am up really really close and looking out for imperfections.

I am interested in how glare-proof this new flush screen is, though.

Don't get me wrong, the Voyage I'm sure will be awesome, but not £169 plus the cost of a decent cover awesome.

HarryT · 09-29-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Arrghus

Don't get me wrong, the Voyage I'm sure will be awesome, but not £169 plus the cost of a decent cover awesome.

It's good that Amazon are now offering three different price points into the Kindle ecosystem, with budget, mid-range, and premium devices. For me personally, I believe it will be worth the money, hence the reason I've ordered one.

Crowl · 09-29-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It's good that Amazon are now offering three different price points into the Kindle ecosystem, with budget, mid-range, and premium devices. For me personally, I believe it will be worth the money, hence the reason I've ordered one.

It definitely seems like a start of a new approach from them, perhaps we will actually see quicker progress because of it as there will need to be significant new features going into the premium model each year to merit the extra cost, but then some of them will move quickly down the range.

It will be interesting to see what the line-up is for next year as you could have either:

PW2, Voyage and Voyage 2 or
KBT, PW3 (a Voyage without the higher dpi display) and Voyage 2

tubemonkey · 09-29-2014, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowl

It definitely seems like a start of a new approach from them, perhaps we will actually see quicker progress because of it as there will need to be significant new features going into the premium model each year to merit the extra cost, but then some of them will move quickly down the range.

It will be interesting to see what the line-up is for next year as you could have either:

PW2, Voyage and Voyage 2 or
KBT, PW3 (a Voyage without the higher dpi display) and Voyage 2

As long as they keep a sub-$80 model in their lineup, I don't care what features they add or remove. Ideally, I'd like to have a flex screen waterproof Kindle for outdoor use; but, I don't see it happening.

elemenoP · 09-29-2014, 11:43 AM

I'm very happy with my PW1, I bought it fairly late in the release cycle and the lighting is even. So I don't think I would upgrade. I am curious enough about the higher-res screen to want to see it for myself when it comes out (hopefully at Best Buy). If I think it looks AMAZING then I might be tempted and then feel sad that I have to wait another year because I really can't in good conscience get a new reader when mine is doing great and is not much more than a year old.

However, I am surprised that they didn't introduce new fonts and typographic controls to go along with the better screen. That would be another temptation for me.

Oh, and I was never in the "I miss the buttons" camp so that side buttons don't add a lot of value to me.

eP

jbcohen · 09-29-2014, 02:30 PM

I think that each one of us needs to make a decision as to what we are willing to pay for the 30% faster processor and the light sensor. Personally I have not upgraded in two years, the upgrade two years ago was what I refer to as a forced upgrade, my kindle three bit the dust and I had to get something to get the job done. In addition to the added speed of the voyage over the paper white, I need to add to that an additional 30% since the paper white 2 is 30% faster than the paper white one, however I am not sure that 60% will get me to the $200 level, had they offered that at the paper white level I would have bought for that. What is the light sensor worth to you? My opinion $20, that gets me to $130, I need $70 more in value to get to the $200 level and I am not sure that the voyage offers something for the additional $70. Are you willing to pay $70 for the additional screen resolution?

View Poll Results: If you are not going to upgrade, why not?
Price, the voyage costs too much	22	18.64%
I have so many readers now I can't rationalize another	11	9.32%
My current reader(s) are doing just fine thank you	59	50.00%
The voyage does not offer enough value to compensate me for the price	26	22.03%
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09-28-2014, 04:16 PM	#17
markbot Guru Posts: 612 Karma: 7511929 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New York, NY Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 2	It's a let down. They should have released the Voyage at $150 or lower. it should have just replaced the PW. Also, they really needed to increase screen size for the Voyage without increasing the size of the device.

09-28-2014, 05:33 PM	#18
Arrghus Zealot Posts: 143 Karma: 5002 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Llandudno, Wales Device: Kindle PW2; Nexus 5X	I bought the PW2 literally days before the announcement. Might I have held off? Maybe... though my Nook STG was driving me nuts. (I appreciate the work that has gone into CoolReader for eInk but ColorDict is not the same as a real dictionary, and there was way no of keeping my progress in sync between my phone, Slatebook, and eReader). The price is a real bummer, and quite honestly, as there looks to be little in the way of a software upgrade (with any trickling down to the PW2 anyway), I don't think the pseudo-physical page turning buttons warrant such a steep price tag. The screen on the PW2 is a vast improvement over the Nook... much more evenly lit, and very sharp text. I won't go over why I love the PW2 so much here... but I do so far... and the Voyage won't be any better at the already great software level. All I need now is to find my perfect case (I've returned three to Amazon already; waiting on a Marware Eco-flip tomorrow). (Side-note: I don't like this whole thinner is always better thang either: I actually found the PW2 in its official cover very uncomfortable to hold.)

09-28-2014, 06:03 PM	#19
rcentros eReader Wrangler Posts: 7,949 Karma: 53216495 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Boise, ID Device: PB HD3, GL3, Voyage	I would have picked 1, 2 and 3 if I could have. I did pick 2. Just no real reason to buy one, but, if there was a reason, it would be more expensive than I would want to pay for an eReader. And 3), I'm happy with what I have.

09-28-2014, 08:48 PM	#20
booklover6 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,545 Karma: 14008730 Join Date: May 2008 Location: PA (USA) Device: Kobo Clara, 2E, Libre 1, PW4, PW5, 2022 Kindle, Kobo Libre Colour	I choose all of them! 1. Price --higher than I can afford, because 2. I have so many readers now (but I can rationalize another, if the price is right) 3. My current readers are doing just great! And I find their software superior to the Kindle. 4. At this time, the Voyage does not offer me enough value to compensate for the price. Reviews could change my mind, though the price is still a barrier, for me.

09-29-2014, 05:47 AM	#22
dsmid Linux devotee Posts: 598 Karma: 2069047 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle 3, Kindle 4B, Kindle PW2	All of them

09-29-2014, 06:40 AM	#23
soulfuldog I ♥ Calibre Posts: 2,073 Karma: 5678911 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis, Voyage, Sony PRS-350, Hudl2	I'm with booklover6 & dsmid. All of the above. As I can't choose more than one option, I'll just not vote.

09-29-2014, 11:43 AM	#29
elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	I'm very happy with my PW1, I bought it fairly late in the release cycle and the lighting is even. So I don't think I would upgrade. I am curious enough about the higher-res screen to want to see it for myself when it comes out (hopefully at Best Buy). If I think it looks AMAZING then I might be tempted and then feel sad that I have to wait another year because I really can't in good conscience get a new reader when mine is doing great and is not much more than a year old. However, I am surprised that they didn't introduce new fonts and typographic controls to go along with the better screen. That would be another temptation for me. Oh, and I was never in the "I miss the buttons" camp so that side buttons don't add a lot of value to me. eP

09-29-2014, 02:30 PM	#30
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,033 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	I think that each one of us needs to make a decision as to what we are willing to pay for the 30% faster processor and the light sensor. Personally I have not upgraded in two years, the upgrade two years ago was what I refer to as a forced upgrade, my kindle three bit the dust and I had to get something to get the job done. In addition to the added speed of the voyage over the paper white, I need to add to that an additional 30% since the paper white 2 is 30% faster than the paper white one, however I am not sure that 60% will get me to the $200 level, had they offered that at the paper white level I would have bought for that. What is the light sensor worth to you? My opinion $20, that gets me to $130, I need $70 more in value to get to the $200 level and I am not sure that the voyage offers something for the additional $70. Are you willing to pay $70 for the additional screen resolution?