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Well this is the end of me buying books from B&N. I always preferred buying epub, I liked the Nooks better than the Kindles, and so when I bought I preferred to buy in epub that way I wouldn't have any conversion errors in my books.
It's obvious though the direction they are heading. There's no telling how long Nook for PC will allow you to download epubs. This is the same reason I bailed on Microsoft this gen in video game consoles. Pretty obvious where they were going with DRM (even though they backpeddled). I'm glad I have a "DRM strip before download" rule for myself, my books are backed up in Calibre with a copy of my library made intermittently to both my OneDrive and an external HDD. Looks like it's time to start buying Amazon again. I don't like the market power they have here, but Kobo already is pushing towards kepubs, B&N is obviously pushing away from allowing you to download epubs, so that doesn't leave anyone besides Google Books (which I do buy from sometimes). It's the path of least resistance anyway, I'm normally wallowing in Amazon GCs. |
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#422 |
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One thing I can easily see at Amazon is losing access to any eBooks sold by Hatchette because of this feud they are having especially once the DoJ gets involved when the author's united whines to the DoJ about how Amazon is costing them money.
No matter where your eBooks were purchased, download them right away, strip the DRM, back them up. Then you'll be safe. Every so often, I redownload because some eBooks do get updated and we do not get notified, but if we download our purchased eBooks, we do get the updated copies. This happened at Amazon, B&N, & Kobo. The other shops I have eBooks purchased from are out of business. This includes eBooks from Sony & Fictionwise. There are some from BooksOnBoard that I cannot redownload and some other shops that are not out of business. |
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K4PC should be used solely as a pipeline to move books into calibre. My ideal setup (if I didn't have a Kindle Touch) would have them automatically sent to K4PC when bought, which is the default if you don't have another Kindle, and whenever K4PC is opened, it will sync and download any books which the Amazon servers have queued for delivery; then calibre will auto-add from the My Kindle Content folder, and delete them from K4PC in order to prevent duplication, because K4PC is nothing to me but a 3rd-party pseudo-plugin to calibre for downloading from Kindle Cloud. (I have a Kindle Touch though so I use that instead, together with a complex backup regimen which encompasses annotations and other weird stuff.) |
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And only a fool would think that the only restrictions on putting whatever you want on any ereader you want -- barring partitioned userstores -- is the DRM, something which, incidentally, is all Amazon's fault too, because it is Amazon forcing the publishers to use DRM in order to lock people into the Amazon closed garden*. Oh, wait. ![]() Quote:
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My 2 cents' (it may not be worth that much) worth about Barnes & Noble's recent actions. I am assuming that what has happened is not some temporary glitch (I don't think that it is) but is something intentional on their part . . . .
Yes, it is infuriating. I am really ticked off. I have to wonder about the legality of it. We have bought these books with them having certain features, download-ability being one of them. B&N has taken away from us something that we have purchased. IMHO what they've done is tantamount to theft. If it's not illegal, it should be. If it is illegal, I hope that someone will bring a class-action lawsuit against them. Unfortunately, digital things are still relatively new, and the laws still have not caught up to the realities of the digital experience. They're in a state of flux. Maybe what they've done is not illegal--yet. But then there is this little matter of the "terms and conditions" that I'm sure that all of us had to agree to for the privilege of giving B&N our money. I don't remember there being an agreement, but I'm sure that there was one. Can you remember a piece of software that you downloaded/installed, an account on a website that you established, et al. where there wasn't one to which you had to agree? Yeah, that's what I thought. Did anyone in here actually read what you were agreeing to? Has anyone gone back and read the terms and conditions since then? Yeah, I thought not. I haven't either. I bet you dollars to donuts that there is something in the terms and conditions that allows B&N to jolly-well do about anything that they want to do. Taking away our download option on the books is bound to be one of them. I'm not a lawyer, and I haven't even played one on TV (you might have to be pretty old to understand the reference there). But, I'm sure that even if the law(s) give us the right to keep the download-ability, we may be giving up our rights by virtue of something that we agreed to with B&N at the outset of our relationship with them. The dust needs to settle a bit--maybe quite a bit--before there is clarity on this matter. What we can do in the meantime is to pester B&N to no end. That has caused companies to change their minds many times before! I hope that everyone in here will write emails (real letters if they can bring themselves to do it. ack!) and call B&N's customer service, at least. As soon as I'm finished with this post, I'm planning to see if their customer service is open (it's late where I'm at in the U.S.) and, if it is, let them know what I think. Thank you for reading. Last edited by GtrsRGr8; 09-28-2014 at 01:46 AM. |
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A webpage with Barnes & Noble's "terms and conditions of use":
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/include/terms_of_use.asp A webpage giving information about how to contact their customer service. It looks like there is no phone number, but there is chat (unavailable right now because of the lateness of the hour): http://www.barnesandnoble.com/customerservice/contactus I'll try to see if I can't dig up a customer service phone number for them somewhere. Does anyone happen to have one? Last edited by GtrsRGr8; 09-28-2014 at 02:26 AM. |
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I totally agree with the sentiment of your post, the problem is that you DIDN'T PURCHASE the book (even though you might think you did) you only LICENSED it (which means you technically don't own it). That means they can likely change the terms and conditions (and there is likely something in the original T+C that says they can change them at will) and there is nothing you can do about it. It really sucks, but that is the current reality.
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I don't think most people are looking at or expect a legal solution. Most people just click through without reading terms and conditions. Most of the time they are bound by them. However, in most Western Countries at least these contracts are subject to various consumer laws and laws re unconscionable conduct and the like. I'm not saying that those laws will necessarily apply here, but it is certainly open for people to complain to their local consumer authorities if they get no satisfaction from Barnes and Noble.
At the end of the day there should be few people seriously affected in relation to past purchases as there is even now time to download these books and back them up. If it is a problem with future purchases then there are alternatives. |
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Now the ebook was on the SAME device (tablet) in the SAME PLACE int the directory; if as claimed, DRM was for a device, tablet/ereader, then it shouldn't matter which ereader app one chooses to use or check out how another ereader behaves. Another problem was I had to redo my public library ID to be the same as the tablet in order to get the library ebook. Adobe claims one can have multiple IDs but that didn't work on the tablet for me. At one point I was able to have both IDs displayed on the tablet but still could not get the library book....... Anyway, decided then that I will run the strip DRM process no matter what, even if not DRM'ed as in the BAEN books and some others. |
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