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Old 09-18-2014, 06:08 PM   #241
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Anyway, my Aura HD's gone off to be replaced. Big thanks to Kobo for being willing to do that, when the thing is just a few days short of being out of warranty.

So it's back to my trusty Touch, which has held up well and is now also running 3.8.0. But oh how I miss the built-in light !!

One thing I did notice, and welcome: the Touch, even on 3.8.0, still has the page slider across the bottom of the screen in the Library, something I really miss on my Aura. Why was this ever removed? Was it judged to take up too much screen space?

I personally feel its functionality far outweighs the loss of room on the display. Moving through pages in the Library without it is far too haphazard. There's no clear space to tap to turn the page, and for me the Aura misreads a swipe far too frequently and, annoyingly, opens a book instead. The slider at the bottom of the page avoided that, and was a far simpler way of jumping a few pages ahead, into the bargain. I'd really like to see it brought back.

For that matter, there's a similar problem with ToCs, depending on how they're formatted. If the links are long strings, it's often harder than it should be to turn the page without activating a link. I wonder if it's possible to have invokable designated tap zones, a little square of space that can be called up on either side of the display where a tap will turn the page reliably regardless of what other coding is on the page?

But I'd still like the slider back in the Library !
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Anyway, my Aura HD's gone off to be replaced. Big thanks to Kobo for being willing to do that, when the thing is just a few days short of being out of warranty.
That's good to hear.
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So it's back to my trusty Touch, which has held up well and is now also running 3.8.0. But oh how I miss the built-in light !!
Same here. The screen just seems wrong. But, it still works.
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One thing I did notice, and welcome: the Touch, even on 3.8.0, still has the page slider across the bottom of the screen in the Library, something I really miss on my Aura. Why was this ever removed? Was it judged to take up too much screen space?

I personally feel its functionality far outweighs the loss of room on the display. Moving through pages in the Library without it is far too haphazard. There's no clear space to tap to turn the page, and for me the Aura misreads a swipe far too frequently and, annoyingly, opens a book instead. The slider at the bottom of the page avoided that, and was a far simpler way of jumping a few pages ahead, into the bargain. I'd really like to see it brought back.
I've never been able to figure it out. The only thing I could think of was that they hired UI designer who wanted to put his mark on things. And didn't really know what he was doing. I've recently had the chance to express my opinion on this to Kobo. I think they took it well.
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For that matter, there's a similar problem with ToCs, depending on how they're formatted. If the links are long strings, it's often harder than it should be to turn the page without activating a link. I wonder if it's possible to have invokable designated tap zones, a little square of space that can be called up on either side of the display where a tap will turn the page reliably regardless of what other coding is on the page?
I don't tend to use the in-line ToC. The systems ToC is much more useful. But, on these pages I will swipe f there isn't an easy place to tap.

Changing the tap zones is something that has been asked for. At least top/bottom zones rather than just the three we have now. Hopefully Kobo will do something sooner or later.
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I've never been able to figure it out. The only thing I could think of was that they hired UI designer who wanted to put his mark on things. And didn't really know what he was doing. I've recently had the chance to express my opinion on this to Kobo. I think they took it well.
Yeah, you could be right. I have no knowledge myself either way of a UI consultant, obviously, but I'd be a bit surprised if the change was based on user feedback, which is why I wondered about screen space being raised as an issue. I keep relatively few titles on my e.book at any one time, largely because of the slow-down it imposes on navigating the library (and also because I don't have much of a tendency to dip into many books at once); I would have thought, for those with large libraries loaded on their Kobo, that anything that helped manage their collections would be welcome.

Anyway. Glad you managed to get feedback to Kobo on the matter; for my own part, I appreciate your doing that.

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I don't tend to use the in-line ToC. The systems ToC is much more useful. But, on these pages I will swipe f there isn't an easy place to tap.
Yes, I swipe too, but I find the Kobo tends to misread it as a selection tap more often than I would like. It seems to have gotten better in the last few firmware releases... or maybe that's my imagination. (Always possible!)

The problem with the system ToC — and this varies from book to book, of course — is that its usefulness is reliant on how thorough the ebook publisher has been in naming sections. In my own experience (and I'm speaking of commercial, legal books, not pirates), the wording that appears in the system ToC is often far from helpful.

Anyway. I know there are a couple of "feature wishlist" threads, so I might go and post a couple of suggestions there. Do Kobo developers still skim these threads, do you know?
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Anyway. Glad you managed to get feedback to Kobo on the matter; for my own part, I appreciate your doing that.
The feedback was actually about something else, but the slider was an example I used as another place I thought they got the UI wrong.
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Yes, I swipe too, but I find the Kobo tends to misread it as a selection tap more often than I would like. It seems to have gotten better in the last few firmware releases... or maybe that's my imagination. (Always possible!)

The problem with the system ToC — and this varies from book to book, of course — is that its usefulness is reliant on how thorough the ebook publisher has been in naming sections. In my own experience (and I'm speaking of commercial, legal books, not pirates), the wording that appears in the system ToC is often far from helpful.
I haven't seen that. The main differences I see is where they have "Chapter n" in one place and just "n" in the other.
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I believe some Kobo people read the forums. But, I don't know how much impact they can have on what is planned.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:04 AM   #245
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I believe some Kobo people read the forums. But, I don't know how much impact they can have on what is planned.
Fair enough. Thanks David. I was hoping on-going firmware development was at least in part in response to user feedback, so ... if not here, where do they get their input?
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Fair enough. Thanks David. I was hoping on-going firmware development was at least in part in response to user feedback, so ... if not here, where do they get their input?
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Aah, yes, of course. I was afraid that might be the answer.

It's not that I have any substantial complaints about the firmware, as a whole. 3.8.0 seems to be working fine ... more or less. Though I can't see what in all is much different from the previous 3.5.1 that i was using.

But there are some pointless things in it. (Subjective call, I realise.) Why on earth, for instance, would I want to be able to broadcast direct from my Kobo to the world at large what book I'm reading? Who the heck gives a toss about it? And why does Kobo spin its development wheels on things like that, when there are issues to be addressed and features implemented that directly affect file management and navigation? And, ermm, stability of the device's functions?

Uh-oh, I'm sounding all ranty. I'd better stop.
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Why on earth, for instance, would I want to be able to broadcast direct from my Kobo to the world at large what book I'm reading? Who the heck gives a toss about it?
In a word: authors. Also, their publishers. Other readers. Your friends.

I've gotten into several chats with authors by using Goodreads to tweet a status update while reading. Some people have seen those updates and decided to check the books out for themselves. Heck, I just like being able to send an "I see what you did there" if I hit a particularly clever bit.
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Aah, yes, of course. I was afraid that might be the answer.
Yes, as far I can tell it's from marketing. With a UI design team or usability group messing it up even more.
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It's not that I have any substantial complaints about the firmware, as a whole. 3.8.0 seems to be working fine ... more or less. Though I can't see what in all is much different from the previous 3.5.1 that i was using.
The main changes were with the light. Remembering the state across a connection to the PC is good but the one-finger brightness control was even better. And there were some bug fixes.
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But there are some pointless things in it. (Subjective call, I realise.) Why on earth, for instance, would I want to be able to broadcast direct from my Kobo to the world at large what book I'm reading? Who the heck gives a toss about it?
As far as I can see, for every person that says they don't want this, there's another asking for Twitter or some other version. People seem to want to do this. I don't use Twitter or facebook, but I do use Goodreads. I'd probably update that from the device if I could.
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And why does Kobo spin its development wheels on things like that, when there are issues to be addressed and features implemented that directly affect file management and navigation? And, ermm, stability of the device's functions?
Because these features sell the devices. They look good on a spec sheet and they are commented on in reviews. I would have said this about annotations and highlights before got my Touch. But, I use them all the time.

But, yes, they need to squash some bugs. I keep wishing for a bug-fix only firmware release. No new features, just clean up what is there. Make it do what it claims to do.
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Uh-oh, I'm sounding all ranty. I'd better stop.
Nothing wrong with that. We all need a good rant from time to time.
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I don't use the extra social features your complaining about. Many members here who buy lots of books from Kobo want them and it adds to their reading experience.

I have seen firmware change requests, complaints and new features requests from mobile read forum included in new firmware. Their are 2 sticky future firmware feature request threads with total of 2,379 replies. They need your opinion also.
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=105210
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=139965

Kobo Firmware is based on Linux open source software and they do not try to prevent your adding features that you or others have developed to the Kobo Reader you own. Kobo Development Corner has these topics. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=247
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After manually copying a book (epub) to the reader using a USB cable, when you reconnect the reader to a computer and choose the option not to connect (by pressing the cancel button) and the device can be utilized as normal while it is charging.

In the top menu a blinking message is shown "Downloading…". I guess this must be "Charging…".

This message is not going away when you disconnect the reader or put the reader in sleep mode. Only a power cycle will do this.

I'm also conviced now that it has nothing to do with charging. The reader tries to establish a WiFi connection but fails because all WiFi settings are disabled.
Reason unkown as my WiFi connection is usually disabled and the procedure above does not require a WiFi connection at all. It all done by wire.



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Peter is bang on with this, but I think that (especially with "minor" bugs) they also pay attention to Customer Service contacts. If they get lots of CS comments on a topic (good or bad) it gets attention. If only one or two people comment on it, it gets dropped down on the priority list.
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I upgraded my Aura for the full page reading. Unfortunately, it seems to be too buggy for me to use (I'm going to stick with older firmware on my Glo). On every chapter transition, the page shifts to the right and the right margin gets cropped. I can work around it, but it is a major PITA (switch headers/footers back on, go back a page, go forward a page, switch headers/footers back off).

It is interesting how much time to read can vary. I get different times between my Glo and Aura; on the Aura I get different times between the sleeping screen and the reading stats screen.
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Because these features sell the devices. They look good on a spec sheet and they are commented on in reviews.
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But, yes, they need to squash some bugs. I keep wishing for a bug-fix only firmware release. No new features, just clean up what is there. Make it do what it claims to do.
Yes, a bug-fix release only that is also on my wishlist.
The firmware contains some very basic bugs which are directly releated to the features Kobo heavily advertizes to sell their devices.
IMO, Kobo is just lucky that those basic bugs do not get mentioned in reviews, as in most reviews features are summed up from the spec sheets, marginally touched, or briefly commented. Dont get me wrongm, forthis is the reviewer to blame, not the vendor or manufacturer.

I'll bet if only a few bugs were addressed in reviews they would have been fixed a long time a go.

Therefore, a bug-fix release is very welcome.
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