Surface Pro 3

[mgmueller]

Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

Well, well, well. I seem to have a problem with the N-Trig digitizer. When in landscape approximately 1 cm in the digitizer don't seem to register a connection. As I move the pan over that area instead of continuing to draw it will make a 90 degree turn and then jump Another cm before it continues to draw on the initially intended line. So instead of a diagonal line I get a staircase step.

The image was from drawing with it in portrait mode, Windows logo at the bottom.

Just checked in detail in the Bamboo Page app from WACOM.
I've switched to the grid background, to check accuracy of the pen.
The ink lags a bit behind, but it's perfectly accurate, whereas the WACOM pen on Surface Pro 2 had been off up to 2mm in the corners.
I've drawn perfect lines in the Bamboo Page app. I've used the grid line closest to the edge for orientation, about 1.5mm from the bezel. No "jumps", neither in landscape nor in portrait. Actually, the accuracy is stunning, even in the corners. The best pen I've experienced so far in any tablet. Regarding accuracy, my Dell Venue 8 Pro (pen Gen 2) is about the same, but the pen on Dell Venue 8 Pro has to be pressed much harder to the screen, which isn't quite natural handwriting/drawing. The Surface Pro 3 pen has a quite natural flow. Very nice!

[markom]

What about wavy and jagged thin lines at slow diagonal line drawing with N-trig, that they say doesn't happen on SP2 Wacom ?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comm..._when_drawing/

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/s...8-6023a84b9675

[mgmueller]

Originally Posted by markom

What about wavy and jagged lines at slow diagonal thin line drawing with N-trig, that they say doesn't happen on SP2 Wacom ?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comm..._when_drawing/

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/s...8-6023a84b9675

First of all, I wouldn't even have perceived that effect.
I'm not drawing much, but mainly writing. And especially not drawing slowly.
But I've made the test, just out of curiosity.
There's a very slight jitter, the slower I draw. But it's far from being as jittery as the example pics you linked to.
My simple explanation would be: When I draw that slow, my hand isn't perfectly still anymore.
To be more accurate, I've just used my cover as a ruler. Drawing very slowly (about 1cm per second) along the edge of the cover. My hand should be relatively still then, pressing against the edge of the cover.
Attached you find the result. Personally, I'm absolutely fine with that. WACOM Bamboo Page App. Upper left: Original drawing from WACOM. Lower right: My slow line.

[markom]

So, I guess, pro illustrators and artist better stick with their SP2 while for average user it's not a big deal.

[mgmueller]

Originally Posted by markom

So, I guess, pro illustrators and artist better stick with their SP2 while for average user it's not a big deal.

I don't know, whether Pro 3 would be okay for artist's needs.
But quite frankly, I can't imagine Pro 2 actually would fare better in any accuracy test.
I've had, respectively still have, 3 WACOM Windows 8 tablets:
Surface Pro 1 & 2 and Dell Latitude 10.
All 3 behave quite similar: Off about 1mm close to the edges and far off in the corners. Maybe if an artist only draws in the center area, at least 2cm from the bezel, Surface Pro 2 is fine. But over all, Surface Pro 3 to me seems a huge step forward.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

It's a generic Windows forum. It's not a specific Surface forum. Too much other junk in there to be useful.

Oh sure, and this forum it is in has nothing but useful stuff for you. It is not intended as generic windows anyway but then you have already made up your mind.

Dale

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by mgmueller

I don't know, whether Pro 3 would be okay for artist's needs.
But quite frankly, I can't imagine Pro 2 actually would fare better in any accuracy test.
I've had, respectively still have, 3 WACOM Windows 8 tablets:
Surface Pro 1 & 2 and Dell Latitude 10.
All 3 behave quite similar: Off about 1mm close to the edges and far off in the corners. Maybe if an artist only draws in the center area, at least 2cm from the bezel, Surface Pro 2 is fine. But over all, Surface Pro 3 to me seems a huge step forward.

I'm not an artist (at ALL), but I've been working on some comics lately for another aspect of my business, using custom-made illustrations. (This is by way of explanation). I did, in my searching about software, see some posts/answers on Amazon about using Manga 5 with the SP3, and people seemed really happy with it/both. That's 100% of everything I know about drawing on anything, but in seeing this thread/discussion, thought I'd mention it.

Hitch

[FinancialWar]

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/micr...thread-21.html

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/micr...era-awful.html

On total of the heat issue, it's also got a sh1tty camera... Three years and MS still can not get it right. Laptop replacement? It can't even replace the iPad.

How can SP3 be a OneNote device when the built-in camera is unusable.

[Canuck_in_Japan]

Originally Posted by FinancialWar

Huh?

After three years...

Still only one USB port, no standard size SD card reader, heat issues, downgrade from Wacom to N-trig!, impossible to upgrade, non-removable battery, no 3g/4g connectivity, no silo for the stylus.

And you call this a laptop replacement? Please...

Err.. my laptop doesn't have 3G/4G connectivity. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a computer with 3G/4G connectivity out of the box.

[FinancialWar]

Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

Err.. my laptop doesn't have 3G/4G connectivity. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a computer with 3G/4G connectivity out of the box.

lol what a noob, that because you bought consumer grade toy laptop. Time to get a professional grade laptops (eg, Thinkpad, EliteBook etc) instead the toys you get at Best-buy.

My both my Thinkpad X200T and my $250 second hand Thinkpad T430 has WWAN built in. In fact, Ericsson WWAN adapter can be easily installed on most ThinkPads.

[mgmueller]

Originally Posted by FinancialWar

lol what a noob, that because you bought consumer grade toy laptop. Time to get a professional grade laptops (eg, Thinkpad, EliteBook etc) instead the toys you get at Best-buy.

My both my Thinkpad X200T and my $250 second hand Thinkpad T430 has WWAN built in. In fact, Ericsson WWAN adapter can be easily installed on most ThinkPads.

After 4.5 years (BTW: Surface series only is 2 years old) I still can't use business-style (CI) signatures on iPad. I can't even change fonts in emails.
Still I love it, I just take it for what it is.
Same for Surface: There certainly are 2 or 3 features on my MacBook Air, I can't perfectly do on Surface Pro 3 yet. But there's definitely no other tablet available (maybe with the exception of some other Windows 8 tablets), that's coming that close.

I'm frequently using OneNote (and EverNote), but I don't have any need for the camera. And all cameras on tablets are mediocre at best. Even the one on iPad.

[FinancialWar]

Originally Posted by mgmueller

I'm frequently using OneNote (and EverNote), but I don't have any need for the camera. And all cameras on tablets are mediocre at best. Even the one on iPad.

You use OneNote frequently but you don't have need for camera?

Are you sure you're using OneNote effectively?

Imaging you're in classroom, instead of copy what's on the whiteboard onto your OneNote, you should be able to just take a high quality photo to OneNote. But you can not do that with SP3 because it's camera sucks and lack focus (that's one, it's got fixed focus, seriously WTF!)

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by FinancialWar

lol what a noob, that because you bought consumer grade toy laptop. Time to get a professional grade laptops (eg, Thinkpad, EliteBook etc) instead the toys you get at Best-buy.

I have a very high end laptop and it doesn't have any 3G/4G capability... And I checked the HP site and the current version of that one also doesn't have 3G/4G capability (it would be the HP ZBook 17 and if that's not a professional grade laptop, then I don't know what you mean with a professional grade laptop).

Originally Posted by FinancialWar

You use OneNote frequently but you don't have need for camera?

Are you sure you're using OneNote effectively?

Imaging you're in classroom, instead of copy what's on the whiteboard onto your OneNote, you should be able to just take a high quality photo to OneNote. But you can not do that with SP3 because it's camera sucks and lack focus (that's one, it's got fixed focus, seriously WTF!)

So, you can only use OneNote effectively if you are sitting in a room with a whiteboard? I mostly use OneNote to make notes...

[Kumabjorn]

Originally Posted by FinancialWar

You use OneNote frequently but you don't have need for camera?

Are you sure you're using OneNote effectively?

Imaging you're in classroom, instead of copy what's on the whiteboard onto your OneNote, you should be able to just take a high quality photo to OneNote. But you can not do that with SP3 because it's camera sucks and lack focus (that's one, it's got fixed focus, seriously WTF!)

555 it had probably been a while since mgmueller visited a classroom in the capacity of a student. Who is the noob now?

[dickloraine]

I see a camera on a tablet just as a gimmick. In MY opinion it would be better to not include a camera and make the device cheaper. It is especially ridiculous in the low cost android market.