Amazon vs. Hachette Update - It's About Price

[shalym]

Originally Posted by rhadin

Stretching a bit don't you think?



Don't your "slightly better proof-reading skills" tell you that believes should be beliefs? Or is believes intended to be deliberately cryptic?

Maybe you should ask pwalker whether he was intending to be "deliberately cryptic" since he was the one who originally misused the word "believes", and I believe diapdealer was simply pointing it out...granted, only someone with a sense of humor would understand that was what he was doing, so...

Shari

Originally Posted by pwalker8

or maybe if you were less cryptic, it would turn out that your basic point is "you disagree with my heartfelt believes, therefore you are an idiot and I'm simply going to put out posts that me and my online buddies consider for wit rather than engage in an honest discussion".

Shari

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by rhadin

Don't your "slightly better proof-reading skills" tell you that believes should be beliefs? Or is believes intended to be deliberately cryptic?

It was intended as deliberate mockery of the misuse of it that I quoted. Are people really that slow around here? Or do they just skim-read threads, or what? I really do expect readers to be able to keep up a little better. Sheesh.

[tubemonkey]

[HarryT]

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[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Do we? I honestly don't think the majority of book buyers out there know much about it let alone have an opinion on it. On this forum maybe, but folks here are more informed about things than people in general.

Granted, most people may not know about agency pricing, but they will know that prices have gone up and they won't want that.

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Granted, most people may not know about agency pricing, but they will know that prices have gone up and they won't want that.

I don't think they'll for the most part notice prices have gone up either, unless it's a large increase. I think most people make a decision to buy a book and go looking for it, they see what it costs and accept that that is the price (most people don't buy enough books, or buy often enough to have more than a very general idea what one might cost ahead of time). They determine from there if they will purchase or not, but I don't think they're cognizant that it might have been $9.99 pre-agency and now costs $12.99 (or whatever).

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

I don't think they'll for the most part notice prices have gone up either, unless it's a large increase. I think most people make a decision to buy a book and go looking for it, they see what it costs and accept that that is the price (most people don't buy enough books, or buy often enough to have more than a very general idea what one might cost ahead of time). They determine from there if they will purchase or not, but I don't think they're cognizant that it might have been $9.99 pre-agency and now costs $12.99 (or whatever).

Some people may chalk it up to inflation. Prices tend to increase. They've seen the hardcover and paperback prices rise also.

Adjusted for CPI a $9.99 title in 2010 would be $10.92 in today's dollar.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by rhadin

You must be pleased as punch to be a trendsetter with all your "silly unverifiable claims". Your repeating such claims won't make them any truer, but then you appear to be a supporter of the shout-longer-and-louder-to-win school of debate.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were all well familiar with who holds which controversial opinions, so I figured there was no actual need to requote dozens of supporting posts. (And the only person who is objecting also objected at the deliberately-misused quoteback of "believes". Check the post DiapDealer quoted. )

All is well, though. The part of my post which you didn't quote lays out the latest such event, which is more than enough to justify my post beyond the need to poke humor at the humorless.

[Rps]

Okay, I have read much of this thread, rants included, and really this is all about seeking profit. Amazon needs a ton of it. So, the issue that I see is, what will this do to Kobo in light of the current competition board hearings with the same publishers. Does anyone think Kobo would leave the Canadian market?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by AnemicOak

I don't think they'll for the most part notice prices have gone up either, unless it's a large increase. I think most people make a decision to buy a book and go looking for it, they see what it costs and accept that that is the price (most people don't buy enough books, or buy often enough to have more than a very general idea what one might cost ahead of time). They determine from there if they will purchase or not, but I don't think they're cognizant that it might have been $9.99 pre-agency and now costs $12.99 (or whatever).

People will notice less then $10 to $10 or more. An increase that crosses into the double digit range will be noticed.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Some people may chalk it up to inflation. Prices tend to increase. They've seen the hardcover and paperback prices rise also.

Adjusted for CPI a $9.99 title in 2010 would be $10.92 in today's dollar.

I don't chalk up paperback prices increasing to inflation. I chalk it up to greedy BPH using a different paperback format instead of mass market just so they can keep the prices artificially inflated. They gives BS excuses as to why these off paperback formats are better when they aren't better. They feel odd to hold and they feel odd to read. mass market just feels like a book. Those others don't. Prices rise because BPH want to do whatever they can to destroy eBooks and the higher priced the paperback is, the higher price they can have the eBook if they can manage to go back to agency pricing. So, if the eBook is say $14.99 when the book is in hardcover, by having these really expensive paperbacks, they can keep the eBooks at $12.99 when the book goes to paperback. It's all about cheating the customer.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Rps

Okay, I have read much of this thread, rants included, and really this is all about seeking profit. Amazon needs a ton of it. So, the issue that I see is, what will this do to Kobo in light of the current competition board hearings with the same publishers. Does anyone think Kobo would leave the Canadian market?

What does the Amazon/Hatchette feud have to do with Kobo other then if Hatchette wins, prices for US customers goes up as Hatchette gets to go back to agency?

[Rps]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What does the Amazon/Hatchette feud have to do with Kobo other then if Hatchette wins, prices for US customers goes up as Hatchette gets to go back to agency?

Kobo is in its own dispute over pricing and if their appeal fails to sway the competition bureau it could, potentially and I stress that, leave amazon with a virtual monopoly for ebooks in canada.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Rps

Kobo is in its own dispute over pricing and if their appeal fails to sway the competition bureau it could, potentially and I stress that, leave amazon with a virtual monopoly for ebooks in canada.

So you think if Kobo loses the app, they will go out of business?

[Rps]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

So you think if Kobo loses the app, they will go out of business?

Swolf, I think this is a highly competitive and evolving market ... Canada is a country of 33million or so, roughly the population of California, so when looking at consumer pricing and structure financing it is possible to make the financial decision to leave the Canadian market. Kobo was at one time wholly owned by Toronto's Indigo but sold 58% to a Japanese company. If the margins were that good they would have hung on to it I am thinking.