Alf's Tools updated

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

I never liked cats.

That one particularly, ever since it viciously scratched me. Not really an attack, since cat scratches aren't nearly effective enough to qualify. I just find them to be nasty animals.

Though he was referring to horses at the time, Sherlock Holmes' comments in 'Game of Shadows' could also apply to cats: "...dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle"!

[pholy]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

Though he was referring to horses at the time, Sherlock Holmes' comments in 'Game of Shadows' could also apply to cats: "...dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle"!

Or as Calvin said of Hobbs: "Cats are sharp on five out of six ends."

[TGS]

Moderator Notice

Mobileread does not allow any discussion whatsoever about how to remove DRM from copyrighted ebooks.

This thread is now closed.

This appeared after one post was posted in a thread asking for help on how to remove DRM. Does anyone here not know that Apprentice Alf's Tools are for DRM removal. Why the double standard?

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by TGS

*snip* Why the double standard?

I guess I don't see a double standard... there is a vast difference between acknowledging that Alf's tools exist and discussing how to use them.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by TGS

Moderator Notice

Mobileread does not allow any discussion whatsoever about how to remove DRM from copyrighted ebooks.

This thread is now closed.

This appeared after one post was posted in a thread asking for help on how to remove DRM. Does anyone here not know that Apprentice Alf's Tools are for DRM removal. Why the double standard?

Has anybody actually asked on how to remove DRM? Last I checked we talked about cats scratches and horse ends (both mouth and butt).

It is allowed to ask, as for the answer a simple: "google apprentice alf" is all that is allowed. None of any tools (if needed, I am not sure) nor specific instructions are here on MR.

You seen mods post here, right? If they had a problem they would have closed and possibly delete a long time ago.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

I guess I don't see a double standard... there is a vast difference between acknowledging that Alf's tools exist and discussing how to use them.

Exactly so. The exact wording in the Guidelines is

"It is our policy that while DRM removal may be discussed in the abstract, providing detailed how-to instructions, uploading of DRM-removal tools, or linking to sites where these tools or detailed instructions are provided is forbidden at MobileRead."

[crich70]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Exactly so. The exact wording in the Guidelines is

"It is our policy that while DRM removal may be discussed in the abstract, providing detailed how-to instructions, uploading of DRM-removal tools, or linking to sites where these tools or detailed instructions are provided is forbidden at MobileRead."

That's what I've always understood too. There is a wide difference between acknowledging that the tools exist and going into detail about how to make use of them just as there is a wide difference between saying that guns are used in bank robberies and discussing how to go about robbing a particular bank, etc.

[cromag]

Originally Posted by Apache

You would not have wanted to live next door to a friend of mine. He kept to mountain lions as pets. And yes he had permits to do so.
Apache

Here in New Jersey we call mountain lions "training pets." And, yes, our fruitcake (well, one of our many fruitcakes) had permits for her tigers, too!

http://www.susanorlean.com/articles/...nd_tigers.html


BTW, thanks for the software update!

[Manabi]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

Oh, there will certainly be bugs. No doubt about it. The bugs I'd like to not have are the ones that make the program crash, destroy your library, and eat the neighbor's cat as an afterthought.

I'd love to see a bug report filed for some software now saying "Ate the neighbor's cat" just to see how the developer responds.

Don't have to worry about that myself, if the neighbor had a cat all the dogs running around the neighborhood would have eaten it first.

Originally Posted by Kirtai

Cat caused injuries can be bad enough to need hospital treatment, especially bites. Though my cats haven't bitten me like that

Don't forget Cat Scratch Disease, which can kill in rare cases.

Originally Posted by cromag

Here in New Jersey we call mountain lions "training pets." And, yes, our fruitcake (well, one of our many fruitcakes) had permits for her tigers, too!

http://www.susanorlean.com/articles/...nd_tigers.html


BTW, thanks for the software update!

There's an entire big cat sanctuary not too far from where I am in Tennessee. Looking at their site, they appear to have a LOT of them too.

[crich70]

Originally Posted by cromag

Here in New Jersey we call mountain lions "training pets." And, yes, our fruitcake (well, one of our many fruitcakes) had permits for her tigers, too!

http://www.susanorlean.com/articles/...nd_tigers.html


BTW, thanks for the software update!

I bet she didn't have to worry about trespassers much.

[John F]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

I guess I don't see a double standard... there is a vast difference between acknowledging that Alf's tools exist and discussing how to use them.

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Exactly so. The exact wording in the Guidelines is

"It is our policy that while DRM removal may be discussed in the abstract, providing detailed how-to instructions, uploading of DRM-removal tools, or linking to sites where these tools or detailed instructions are provided is forbidden at MobileRead."

I thought the quoted statement was a cover-your-ass statement to satisfy the lawyers. Looking at the first page(s) of this thread, it goes from help installing, to undertanding the runtime requirements, ... And than I stopped reading.

Doesn't sound very abstract to me, YMMV.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by John F

I thought the quoted statement was a cover-your-ass statement to satisfy the lawyers.

Try giving someone detailed help with DRM removal and you'll quickly discover the error of that belief. It's something we take very seriously indeed.

[Billi]

This is a very old example from 2009:

http://www.zdnet.de/41001742/amazon-...er-kindle-vor/

Sorry, the article is in German, but it says that Amazon took legal pressure against MobileRead because the forum had a link to a tool to remove drm. It may be an old example, it may be a small example, but it shows that some companies will take action against anything drm-removal and I'm afraid there have been more actions like this "behind the scene".

So, perhaps the "double standard" is the best possible compromise.

[Katsunami]

The only things you'll find regarding DRM are hints, such as:

Google Apprentice Alf and install the plugins.
Use ADE 2..01 instead of 3.x.
Etc....

I've had some posts removed and accompanied by a warning in the past, in which my hints were indeed on top of the line.... and inclining forward as well. (Like a child leaning over a doorstep not to be crossed to try and get at the cookie jar.)

Give specific download, install and troubleshoot instructions on Alf's Tools, and you'll probably be banned for a few days.

[John F]

Here is a post, which included a quote from you where the original post appears to have been deleted.

Originally Posted by shalym

Hmmm...I just unchecked the box that said "Use our download manager and get recommended downloads"

Shari

Originally Posted by HarryT

I was referring to the new version 6.0.9, not 6.0.8, which is what you've posted a screenshot for. 6.0.9 uses a different download host, which is not at all obvious. I figured it out in the end.

And there was another post referring to a screen shot, which apparently was deleted.

Originally Posted by HarryT

Try giving someone detailed help with DRM removal and you'll quickly discover the error of that belief. It's something we take very seriously indeed.

I guess different people/sites have different interpretations for words like "detailed", and "help with DRM removal". I would consider help with the tools installation roughly equivalent to help with the tools themselves, so I would consider MR policy a 6.2 on the seriousness scale (on a scale of 1 to 10).