Paperwhite next generation & Collections

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by Watercress

Hi Harry, I've downloaded most of my books via Calibre and every time I've put them into a collection I've got the message that they are not synced to the cloud - I assumed this is because they were non-Amazon books

The reason the message is popping up is not because they are books not bought from Amazon but because they are not in Amazon's cloud. I only read books bought from elsewhere but I always email my books to Amazon and download them as if I bought them from Amazon, that way no message pops up as the collections software thinks they are Amazon books.

I never side load via USB for two reasons, 1) I like to read on multiple devices so use whispersync, which only works for books on Amazons cloud. 2) the pop up message drives me nuts.

[chromedome]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I only read books bought from elsewhere but I always email my books to Amazon and download them as if I bought them from Amazon, that way no message pops up as the collections software thinks they are Amazon books.

I have no problem stripping the DRM from my none-Amazon purchases so that I can read on my Kindle and similarly the other way for use on my tablet or Kobo. I would worry about sending a De-DRM'd book to Amazon's cloud though. Is this something you've been doing a long time or are the books you send DRM free at purchase perhaps?

Regards,

Greg

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by chromedome

I have no problem stripping the DRM from my none-Amazon purchases so that I can read on my Kindle and similarly the other way for use on my tablet or Kobo. I would worry about sending a De-DRM'd book to Amazon's cloud though. Is this something you've been doing a long time or are the books you send DRM free at purchase perhaps?

Regards,

Greg

The books I send are sold DRM free. I specifically buy them direct from the independent publishers for that reason, plus I get multiple formats as well, and the author gets a better royalty rate.

Sorry I should have said that in my first post

[Yolina]

Originally Posted by chromedome

I have no problem stripping the DRM from my none-Amazon purchases so that I can read on my Kindle and similarly the other way for use on my tablet or Kobo. I would worry about sending a De-DRM'd book to Amazon's cloud though. Is this something you've been doing a long time or are the books you send DRM free at purchase perhaps?

Regards,

Greg

Considering the amount of info that gets logged and sent to Amazon when you have the Wi-Fi on, I don't think it really makes that much difference whether de-DRM'd book are side-loaded or sent via the Amazon cloud. Maybe the devs could confirm whether DRM status is part of the logs?

[NiLuJe]

[...]isEncrypted=true[...]

So, yes.

That reminds me, the hype around the groups popping up to 'click through 10%' of a book for the Kindle Unlimited stuff: Mwahahahaha. Didn't think that one through guys, close, but no cigar.

[chromedome]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

The books I send are sold DRM free. I specifically buy them direct from the independent publishers for that reason, plus I get multiple formats as well, and the author gets a better royalty rate.

Sorry I should have said that in my first post

I see, just checking. I don't specifically go out of my way to buy DRM free (Not sure whether it's possible with the authors I read). I don't like or agree with the whole device dependant DRM thing. If Amazon were to fall into line with the rest of the e-book world and adopt the option of Adobe DRM, then I probably wouldn't bother stripping the DRM as there'd be little point in doing so.

As it is, I feel (legal or not) that if I paid £15 for a book on Kobo's store and decide I want to read it on a none Kobo device (Kindle or otherwise) I shouldn't have to go through hoops to do so. IMHO it's disingenuous to claim stripping DRM is theft, IMO it's merely protecting ones purchase.
I have occasionally pondered sending the e-pub -> Mobi conversions to the Amazon Cloud, but lack the courage to risk my Amazon account by doing so. I think I'll continue in as I am, in the light of your response ;-)

[chromedome]

Originally Posted by Yolina

Considering the amount of info that gets logged and sent to Amazon when you have the Wi-Fi on, I don't think it really makes that much difference whether de-DRM'd book are side-loaded or sent via the Amazon cloud. Maybe the devs could confirm whether DRM status is part of the logs?

However, reading a user device and acting upon it has somewhat more 'Big Brother' connotations than detecting DRM free copyrighted works placed on ones own servers. I think I prefer to let them (Amazon) make that call, rather than gift them the opportunity and allowing them to get stroppy over blatant misuse of their server space.

I do grant however that, of late, the distinction between cloud and device is becoming more blurred and thus easier for organisations to police and protect their interests, however misguided.

[Josieb1]

I found when I was side loading books that if I loaded a handful rather than move each one into a collection individually if I selection a collection then did 'add more books' and selected them by recent I got slightly less pop up messages. That might be worth trying,

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by chromedome

IMHO it's disingenuous to claim stripping DRM is theft, IMO it's merely protecting ones purchase.

Who has suggested that it is "theft"? DRM-removal for personal use is perfectly legal in the UK.

[chromedome]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Who has suggested that it is "theft"? DRM-removal for personal use is perfectly legal in the UK.

I didn't realise - I don't have my e-books to hand at the moment, but I'm sure I read somewhere in the T&C's for a book I purchased (I don't read these things often, so it could have been from any of the big players) that any attempts to break the security measures was against the terms of purchase.
Probably not illegal, but enough for me to not want Amazon or Kobo etc. to feel I might be doing this to their detriment.

I might be wrong and just imagining it - I'm old and my memory's not what it used to be . When I get a few spare moments I'll have a look at a couple of my purchases from Kobo, Google and Amazon to see what they actually say or insinuate on the matter of DRM stripping.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by chromedome

I didn't realise - I don't have my e-books to hand at the moment, but I'm sure I read somewhere in the T&C's for a book I purchased (I don't read these things often, so it could have been from any of the big players) that any attempts to break the security measures was against the terms of purchase.
Probably not illegal, but enough for me to not want Amazon or Kobo etc. to feel I might be doing this to their detriment.

Oh, it is against Amazon's T&Cs, certainly, but it's not illegal, and it's assuredly not "theft".

I buy most of my books from Amazon, but not a single one of the books on my Kindle has been download to my Kindle from Amazon. They have all (where necessary) had DRM removed, and been sent to the Kindle by Calibre.

[chromedome]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Oh, it is against Amazon's T&Cs, certainly, but it's not illegal, and it's assuredly not "theft".

I buy most of my books from Amazon, but not a single one of the books on my Kindle has been download to my Kindle from Amazon. They have all (where necessary) had DRM removed, and been sent to the Kindle by Calibre.

I too buy most of my books from Amazon (at the moment) but, as my primary device is a Kindle I download direct from the store to the kindle. When I attach my Kindle to the PC, I add the books I've purchased directly from the Kindle to my Calibre library. 'Alf' takes care of the rest. Thus, Calibre has a cleaned copy and my Kindle has the version with x-ray etc. I used to go via K4PC but that seems to be no longer necessary.

[booklover6]

Originally Posted by NiLuJe

[...]isEncrypted=true[...]

So, yes.

That reminds me, the hype around the groups popping up to 'click through 10%' of a book for the Kindle Unlimited stuff: Mwahahahaha. Didn't think that one through guys, close, but no cigar.

Are you saying the 10% rule does not work WRT author pay outs?

[Readirect]

Originally Posted by Watercress

Hi, I've got the Paperwhite Next Gen and whenever I move a book into a Collection it stays on the home page as well. if I move it into another collection it shows in 3 places! My old Kindle (with a keyboard) had a facility to move into one collection and delete from another but the Paperwhite doesn't have this? Really annoying and the Cloud is no good for non-Amazon books. How can I sort my Collections more efficiently? At the moment my 200 odd books are showing everywhere!!! Please help!!

This can happen if you have more than one device. The insane way that Amazon designed collections is that all collections (for all devices) show up on each device and when you move your book into a collection NOT on your device, it doesn't (obviously) move the book on *your* device.

So, you have a collection A on a Kindle DX and a collection B on your PW2. Both will show on your PW2 and if you try to move a book on your PW2 into collection A it will remain on the home screen of your PW2 (because you haven't really moved it on the PW2).

What collections SHOULD do (other than go back to the way it was) is to add a reference to each collection title as to the device which owns it. Then, at least, it would be less confusing. You can do the same thing, of course, by changing the name of the collection to reference the device.

[NiLuJe]

@booklover6: My message was ambiguous, my bad.

No, quite the contrary, I'm perfectly sure that they know exactly when and how you reached 10%, and cheating is out of question .

(Hell, someone here built a log parser years ago that graphed how fast/much you read based on the logs).