![]() |
#451 |
I ♥ Calibre
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,073
Karma: 5678911
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis, Voyage, Sony PRS-350, Hudl2
|
Hear hear, seems an awful lot of fuss over something that someone has put work into to provide for free. Ok he should have noted the change, but you are free to take or leave the ebook, its public domain and carries no guarantees?
|
![]() |
![]() |
#452 | ||||
Grand Sorcerer
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,945
Karma: 70880793
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Clara 2E
|
In the hope that something will be done, I think shalym has some excellent ideas. My opinions.
Quote:
A mod should than go through all their contributions, and modify the first post, in bold and big letters, saying that the poster isn't following the guidelines. If someones doesn't follow the guidelines for general posts, they get banned (after warnings). Why not for uploads? Quote:
banned, so uploading wouldn't be possible. Quote:
Quote:
The important thing for me is that I know what is being contributed in the first post. I don't care if there are modifications, I just want to know they exist. Until this happens, the MR library is just another source; below PG, and the same as all the others. |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#453 | ||||
o saeclum infacetum
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,297
Karma: 234636059
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New England
Device: Mini, H2O, Glo HD, Aura One, PW4, PW5
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by issybird; 07-21-2014 at 01:03 PM. |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#454 | ||
Grand Sorcerer
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,418
Karma: 52613881
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip
|
Quote:
Let's review, shall we? The problem is DELIBERATE changes to text not being clearly noted. This means the uploader has made a choice. AlexBell, for example, knows he made the choice. If someone had read his upload and been previously familiar with the work, enough to notice the change from "gay" to "light-hearted" (before he told us about it), and contacted him, what would have been the response? He would, I believe, have said what he said in this thread--he thought he was improving the text for the modern reader. An uploader who has made a deliberate choice is unlikely to go back and undo it. This is entirely different from someone reporting a typo, which presumably an uploader might fix. But HarryT thinks I am supposed to go and find typos in all the MR library, even though my concern isn't typos, but deliberate changes to text. I am sure he is quite aware of conflating two different issues, so the reason he continues to do it is puzzling. How it would hurt anyone to include some guidelines about uploads is also puzzling. Of course it would not solve the problem entirely, but they would act as a reminder, at least. Material is removed for copyright violation; why shouldn't it be removed if someone reports that an upload has deviated from the source text without such deviations being clearly noted? Is that so off-the-wall and absurd to contemplate? ETA: First of course, the uploader should have the opportunity to note the deviations clearly in the text. Quote:
The library here is suspect, and most people apparently don't care one bit that it is. I stopped using it long ago. I would think that those who do use it, and especially those who upload to it, would care the most about trying to ensure that its contents are accurate, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And that's another puzzle. Last edited by Catlady; 07-21-2014 at 01:04 PM. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
#455 |
Grand Sorcerer
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,418
Karma: 52613881
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#456 |
Wizard
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4,812
Karma: 26912940
Join Date: Apr 2010
Device: sony PRS-T1 and T3, Kobo Mini and Aura HD, Tablet
|
Pretty sure if someone submitted a set of comprehensive, reasonable and understandable guidelines to a moderator they would be implemented. Wouldn't know how to start myself.
Or perhaps a thread that people could comment on discrepancies. I suspect it would not have many entries, or a lot for one book, but could be wrong there. At MR I think you get far more than you pay for, both forums and library, and no one has suffered any actual damage from an uploaded MR library book. Can't say the same for many books that have been published in paper or electronically with their original content intact. Helen |
![]() |
![]() |
#457 | ||||
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 19,421
Karma: 85400180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
|
Quote:
He said, if you are concerned about the issue of deliberate changes, you should proofread and report them on the thread. Proofreading has to do with deviations from the original text -- where does it say anything about the intent behind those changes? Quote:
![]() Quote:
Quote:
![]() Last edited by eschwartz; 07-21-2014 at 01:20 PM. |
||||
![]() |
![]() |
#458 | |||
Grand Sorcerer
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,418
Karma: 52613881
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip
|
Quote:
Quote:
You think those two words mean the same thing? Really? Quote:
In the Declaration, I think I'll change "pursuit of happiness" to "pursuit of money," because I think that's how old TJ should have worded it. I'm going to change "all men are created equal" to "all men and women are created equal," because that's what modern readers are supposed believe. I'm going to leave out all references to "our Creator," because I don't want to offend atheists. And I'm sure the MR library will be thrilled with this contribution and all my hard work in editing this public domain material. |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
#459 |
Resident Curmudgeon
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 79,778
Karma: 145864619
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#460 |
Resident Curmudgeon
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 79,778
Karma: 145864619
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
#461 |
Grand Sorcerer
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,418
Karma: 52613881
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip
|
Can't be put right unless the uploader does it--and there's no guarantee he or she will do that, especially if the change is one the uploader deliberately made to "improve" the material.
|
![]() |
![]() |
#462 | |
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 19,421
Karma: 85400180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
|
Quote:
![]() I never go to MR/PG when I am looking for truly authoritative sources anyway. (In this case, I'd use Washington as my source.) But I'd just like to point out that most of the editing you plan on doing is a better fit for the Politics and Religion subforum -- E-Book Uploads is not your soapbox. You may find your thread inexplicably moved... Last edited by eschwartz; 07-21-2014 at 02:14 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#463 | |
Wizard
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,058
Karma: 54671821
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: New England
Device: PW 1, 2, 3, Voyage, Oasis 2 & 3, Fires, Aura HD, iPad
|
Quote:
It's the same thing with everything in the public domain...people who care will find the definitive edition (and for some PD books, there seems to be controversy over just what IS the definitive edition...the bible is an example that comes to mind) Really...this strawman has been beaten so badly that there is only straw dust left. We get it. You are horrendously upset over the possibility that someone may edit a book after it is published, and you won't know that it was edited. In the perfect world, all edits of every kind would have a footnote...even if a misspelled word is corrected from first edition to second (to tell the truth, I actually appreciate when that is done). BUT. We don't live in a perfect world. We have to each, personally, do what we can to ensure that our personal world is as close to perfect as we can get it, and that may mean that we have to make compromises in our own personal world. If you want to work on making the whole wide world a little more perfect, then actual action is required. Sitting at a computer and making suggestions on a forum does nothing to change the world. Really...it doesn't. If you want a library where editing isn't allowed, start one. If you want the library on Mobile read made better, then start working on proofing the books against whatever you consider to be the definitive version, and upload the "fixed" versions up to the site. Shari |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#464 | |
Wizard
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,388
Karma: 14190103
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Berlin
Device: Cybook, iRex, PB, Onyx
|
Quote:
We have enough examples where corrections have been done and uploaded by other members then the original uploader. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
#465 |
Resident Curmudgeon
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 79,778
Karma: 145864619
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
|
It's a poor decision is what it is. It's someone thinking we are too stupid to realize the meaning of those changed words. We are not stupid and we would understand. So that was a very bad decision on Alex's part as well as being insulting to us.
|
![]() |
![]() |
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Spaces being altered by Book View in 0.7.4 | Geoff_C8 | Sigil | 23 | 01-01-2014 07:55 PM |
Free (Kindle) Milking the Rhino: Dangerously Funny Lists by Chris Rush | arcadata | Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) | 0 | 10-14-2011 08:54 AM |
PDF Contents Altered by Link | ahi | Workshop | 2 | 09-18-2009 10:38 AM |
Wired (or someone) altered this EZReader picture | purl4peace | News | 48 | 07-14-2009 08:51 PM |