Question for those who've received the Sony 700

[DerHund]

I got the feeling, that most negative postings about the 700 is coming from jonnyr.
I am myself thinking of getting a 700, but lacking of a possibility to compare the 505 and 700, I am totally relying on the feedback of people on this forum.
The pictures taken here on the forum are not good. They either are taken with flash, which is a no-no, or they are made of taking the 505 in front of the camera and the 700 behind, where the light of the shop directly shines on the 700.
I would love to see more comparision pictures to make a my own opinion about it.
Could someon upload some pics? thanks!

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by DerHund

I got the feeling, that most negative postings about the 700 is coming from jonnyr.
I am myself thinking of getting a 700, but lacking of a possibility to compare the 505 and 700, I am totally relying on the feedback of people on this forum.
The pictures taken here on the forum are not good. They either are taken with flash, which is a no-no, or they are made of taking the 505 in front of the camera and the 700 behind, where the light of the shop directly shines on the 700.
I would love to see more comparision pictures to make a my own opinion about it.
Could someon upload some pics? thanks!

Lol...yeah, I've been pretty vocal about it, but I'm basing my posts not only on my experience with the device, but also other's who have posted here. I'm not the only one that sees the issue.

However, it doesn't mean the 700 isn't for you. Do you have a Sony Style store close to you?

Also, for a pic, check out my pic of side by side I took at the sony store:


Also, for a pic, check out my pic of side by side I took at the sony store:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...ght=pic&page=3

Post # 40

The screen isn't terrible, but when compared to the 505, there is a pretty big difference. It's ultimately up to you if the 700's screen is ok or not.

[DerHund]

@jonnyr: I just reread my posts and must apologize to you. I did not mean any offence, it just seems that most postings when negative was posted by you. I am quite disappointed about the unsharp display mentioned here. 1 week earlier I would have bought the 700 in an instance. Right now I really think not to buy it, but instead, to buy the 505 which is 35% cheaper for me than the 700.

One question, is switching pages on a 505 slow? How long does it take in average?
I am not a fan of LCDs, but have not seen any eInk devices in my life before.

There is no SonyStyle store in Germany (where I live) and that's the reason why I cannot compare and check for myself.. but I think, under this condition, I would prefere a good screen to an inferior one...

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by DerHund

(...)have not seen any eInk devices in my life before.

There is no SonyStyle store in Germany (where I live) and that's the reason why I cannot compare and check for myself.

DerHund, where in Germany do you live ? i know we have other german members, check this thread to see whether any of them living near you have offered to give a demo of an e-ink device, so you can see how it works. if no-one has made a post, why not add your own post requesting a demo ? mention your city in the post.

also, since we have a german-language forum, you might want to create a thread like that in german ; we have one in french, in the french forum. it makes a big difference to see the screens in person, i agree. good luck !

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by DerHund

@jonnyr: I just reread my posts and must apologize to you. I did not mean any offence, it just seems that most postings when negative was posted by you. I am quite disappointed about the unsharp display mentioned here. 1 week earlier I would have bought the 700 in an instance. Right now I really think not to buy it, but instead, to buy the 505 which is 35% cheaper for me than the 700.

One question, is switching pages on a 505 slow? How long does it take in average?
I am not a fan of LCDs, but have not seen any eInk devices in my life before.

There is no SonyStyle store in Germany (where I live) and that's the reason why I cannot compare and check for myself.. but I think, under this condition, I would prefere a good screen to an inferior one...

Heh, no offense was taken, and like you said, I am probrably one of the more vocal members on the forum about this issue. I just want people to know what they are getting, before they buy, so they can make an educated decision on what reader suits them best.

Take me for instance: I was about to purchase a 700 on the sonystyle site, but because of some comments on here, I decided to look at it first in the Sony Store. I'm glad I did, because the 700 was not for me, and I now have a 505 on the way.

[Liviu_5]

Originally Posted by johnnyr

Take me for instance: I was about to purchase a 700 on the sonystyle site, but because of some comments on here, I decided to look at it first in the Sony Store. I'm glad I did, because the 700 was not for me, and I now have a 505 on the way.

I am exactly the opposite.

The 505 is such a slow poke for me - not only in turning pages which is bad as it is when you read fast - but in moving between books, moving back and forth - in ergonomics - once you use the buttons on the 700 you wonder how you could use those small buttons on the 505, leaving aside touch which I love

Then 505 is without integrated light which I started loving more and more on my 700 once I got used to its slightly eerie feeling, and that is quite important for me.

I would not buy the 505 unless almost free, while I was willing to spend 400+tax+2 year plan on the 700 on sight, and while the first time I saw it in the store it was not available, the second time it was and I bought it...

So think what is important. If you are a fast reader and read a lot, the slowness of the 505 may annoy you a lot.

[hieubg]

Is this PRS-700 come with cover?

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by DerHund

One question, is switching pages on a 505 slow? How long does it take in average?
I am not a fan of LCDs, but have not seen any eInk devices in my life before.

First of all "slow" is not a quantifiable period of time. eInk screens are "slow" when compared to LCD or CRTs certainly. However, it is only "slow" when the image needs to be changed. That is not done often in the normal use of reading a book. The time it takes the screen to display the new page after you press the next page button is probably the same or less than it would take you to turn a page in a physical book.

I would say the whole process of turning a page in a book from picking up the arm that is not holding the book, grabing the single page, flipping it, adjusting the hand you are holding the book with take more time than pressing the next page button with your thumb. In actuality because with a paper book when turning the page you are distracted by the act of turning the page you don't notice the time that this takes. While pressing the next page with your thumb takes almost no effort so the perception is that the page turn is "slow". But, I think for your average human by the time your eye moves back to the top of the screen an focuses the page refresh is done.

That all said... where you will most notice the "slow" part of an eInk screen is when you are navigating the TOC or the Library. Stuff like that where we are used to LCD's will seem much slower. however, it really isn't all that bad, mainly because there are sporadic procedures.

BOb

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by Liviu_5

I am exactly the opposite.

The 505 is such a slow poke for me - not only in turning pages which is bad as it is when you read fast - but in moving between books, moving back and forth - in ergonomics - once you use the buttons on the 700 you wonder how you could use those small buttons on the 505, leaving aside touch which I love

Then 505 is without integrated light which I started loving more and more on my 700 once I got used to its slightly eerie feeling, and that is quite important for me.

I would not buy the 505 unless almost free, while I was willing to spend 400+tax+2 year plan on the 700 on sight, and while the first time I saw it in the store it was not available, the second time it was and I bought it...

So think what is important. If you are a fast reader and read a lot, the slowness of the 505 may annoy you a lot.

Yeah, I love the 700 in every other way, but I just can't get past the screen. The most important thing for me in a reader is how nice the screen is, and how easy it is to read.

[Liviu_5]

Originally Posted by hieubg

Is this PRS-700 come with cover?

Sure - hinged black cover that can be folded back for one handed reading.

Regarding slowness - even the normal page turning in the 505 is slow in my opinion in the sense that is noticeable and pulls you away from the book train of thoughts. When I read a paper book and turn a page I do not have time to be distracted from the book. Similarly with the 770, iTouch, or the 700, but on the 500 and from my tries 505 it's just too distracting and unbearable over time - I tested the 505 10 times easily in stores the past year since I *really* wanted an eink.

Reading a page, or maybe for a slower reader it may not be a big deal, but I read almost 200 novels this year plus rereads, short stories and the 505 would just not do.

I thought about the Kindle once in a while, but since I could not test it, I never considered it seriously - leaving aside that I would implicitly pay for its wireless capability which would be mostly useless to me

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by Liviu_5

Sure - hinged black cover that can be folded back for one handed reading.

Regarding slowness - even the normal page turning in the 505 is slow in my opinion in the sense that is noticeable and pulls you away from the book train of thoughts. When I read a paper book and turn a page I do not have time to be distracted from the book. Similarly with the 770, iTouch, or the 700, but on the 500 and from my tries 505 it's just too distracting and unbearable over time - I tested the 505 10 times easily in stores the past year since I *really* wanted an eink.

Reading a page, or maybe for a slower reader it may not be a big deal, but I read almost 200 novels this year plus rereads, short stories and the 505 would just not do.

I thought about the Kindle once in a while, but since I could not test it, I never considered it seriously - leaving aside that I would implicitly pay for its wireless capability which would be mostly useless to me

I read very fast, and while the 505 may seem "slow" it takes about the same time as turning a real page would. Now the Kindle, thats slow.

My thought is, what good is a really fast reader if actually "reading" it is a pain? (contrast)

Also, I know that most people with slower readers (Kindle, 500) learn to hit the page turn button before they get to the end of the page. After a while it becomes second nature. (according to them)

I tested the 505 and the 700, page turning appeared to be the same speed. Everything else I'm sure is faster, but basic page turning? Negligible difference.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by johnnyr

I read very fast, and while the 505 may seem "slow" it takes about the same time as turning a real page would. Now the Kindle, thats slow.

I disagree. The Kindle and 505 page turn speed is pretty much identical.

BOb

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I disagree. The Kindle and 505 page turn speed is pretty much identical.

BOb

Hmm...wierd...I took my buddy (with his kindle) to target and tested it against the 505....Kindle was by far much slower.

Perhaps the book he had on the kindle was super big?

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by johnnyr

Hmm...wierd...I took my buddy (with his kindle) to target and tested it against the 505....Kindle was by far much slower.

Perhaps the book he had on the kindle was super big?

Perhaps it was a Topaz book? Those certainly turn much slower. However, that would compare to using a PDF on the Sony.

BOb

[johnnyr]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Perhaps it was a Topaz book? Those certainly turn much slower. However, that would compare to using a PDF on the Sony.

BOb

Possibly....

What reader do you own Bob?