Silliness The Countdown - Page 13

slayda · 11-08-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

But he's already taking over .... with a Clintonesque style and entourage ...

please stop beating about the shrub (!) ...

But maybe he'll invite Lorena to the Oval Office instead of Monica.

GeoffC · 11-09-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by slayda

But maybe he'll invite Lorena to the Oval Office instead of Monica.

Ooohhhhh ....

Steven Lyle Jordan · 11-09-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

Nonsense, the founding fathers tried to build a system that didn't work.

Not really... they tried to build a system that could not easily be subverted by one person, or one branch of the system.

Of course, when all branches of the system are subverted, all bets are off...

pshrynk · 11-11-2008, 09:55 AM

70. I'm so happy, I'm only going to do the countdown on pental days up to 10 Jan 09.

GeoffC · 11-11-2008, 10:06 AM

that's the spirit, make all the intermediary days redundant

Slite · 11-11-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

70. I'm so happy, I'm only going to do the countdown on pental days up to 10 Jan 09.

Can't you just tell the guy "Thanks for the last 8 years, get lost already!" ??

Steven Lyle Jordan · 11-11-2008, 10:18 AM

I'm glad to see Obama's not just waiting for Jan 10 to get busy.

I'm not sure how glad I am that he wants to bail out the auto industry. Not that I want all those auto workers to lose their jobs, of course... but when an industry deliberately and deviously takes advantage of the public on multiple fronts (environmental, social, economic), bribing the government to do it, I have a really hard time accepting that we ought to help them at all... I actually want to see GM fail.

Having said that, I wish I had an alternative... but short of outright Federalization of GM, or one of the other (probably foreign) automakers buying them, I can't think of a thing. I'd probably feel better if I thought the people directly responsible for GM's policies would be stripped of their positions (and most of the millions in earnings they've been squirreling away), and a new board and directors were to be put in place to lead them in a sensible direction.

But since I don't expect that to happen, either, I'm left with a very sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

pshrynk · 11-11-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

I'm glad to see Obama's not just waiting for Jan 10 to get busy.

I'm not sure how glad I am that he wants to bail out the auto industry. Not that I want all those auto workers to lose their jobs, of course... but when an industry deliberately and deviously takes advantage of the public on multiple fronts (environmental, social, economic), bribing the government to do it, I have a really hard time accepting that we ought to help them at all... I actually want to see GM fail.

Having said that, I wish I had an alternative... but short of outright Federalization of GM, or one of the other (probably foreign) automakers buying them, I can't think of a thing. I'd probably feel better if I thought the people directly responsible for GM's policies would be stripped of their positions (and most of the millions in earnings they've been squirreling away), and a new board and directors were to be put in place to lead them in a sensible direction.

But since I don't expect that to happen, either, I'm left with a very sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

Here on Planet pshrynk, where the skies are always sunny with soft, pink clouds floating by over cute little bunnehs hopping in the yard, frollicking without actually eating all the damned flowers, GM is going to be ftaken over by the Democrats, the execs will be reduced in salary to a maximum of 5 fimes the average factory workers at the top of the food chain, and they will be broklen up into business units and sold off, with the charter of developing fuel efficient and altfuel cars. Then I woke up screaming.

DixieGal · 11-11-2008, 10:37 AM

As happy as I am that gas prices are down, I think it fixed itself too soon to burn the idea of alt fuel into the American mind. What do you think?

LazyScot · 11-11-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieGal

As happy as I am that gas prices are down, I think it fixed itself too soon to burn the idea of alt fuel into the American mind. What do you think?

Yes. I really don't like the idea of $200/barrel oil, but the consequences of $60/barrel are more worrying.

I'm also very worried about the support of the Motor Industries. I have sympathy for the workers, and that the rapidity of the change in the economy has probably prevented more manageable adjustments. This support could all to easily turn into protectionism. Combined with the presented situation you can get international hostilities. And on today of all days I really don't want to be thinking about the end of the 1930's happening again.

Here's hoping he uses it to encourage a whole new family of alternative fuel cars. A sort of JFK-type far reaching grand challenge: "by 2020 we will have no car that uses oil-derived fuel".

pshrynk · 11-11-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieGal

As happy as I am that gas prices are down, I think it fixed itself too soon to burn the idea of alt fuel into the American mind. What do you think?

Oh, they didn't "fix" anything. this is a fluctuation which wil rebound quickly to the stratosphere.

DixieGal · 11-11-2008, 10:56 AM

Changing our infrastructure to allow hydrogen pod exchange/refueling at gas stations has gone nowhere in the US. There are a few experiments going on out in California, but it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

It's going to hurt for a while when we finally commit to alt fuel. It will cost money for station owners to add that service. People with petrol-based cars will still have them for decades even after alt fuel becomes the industry standard, and those older vehicles will still need fuel.

Such uncertainties make my neck tense up. Ouch.

Slite · 11-11-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieGal

Changing our infrastructure to allow hydrogen pod exchange/refueling at gas stations has gone nowhere in the US. There are a few experiments going on out in California, but it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

It's going to hurt for a while when we finally commit to alt fuel. It will cost money for station owners to add that service. People with petrol-based cars will still have them for decades even after alt fuel becomes the industry standard, and those older vehicles will still need fuel.

Such uncertainties make my neck tense up. Ouch.

The sad part is that until we all get together and say "THIS is the alternative we alla will use", it won't happen anyway. We need a standard, otherwise no-one is willing too invest in the infrastructure needed. The gas station owners don't want to sink money into it if there are no potential customers and the endusers won't buy a car using that alternate fuel unless they can get that fuel wherever they go. So, it's kind of a catch-22 thing really.

DixieGal · 11-11-2008, 11:00 AM

How do we escape the catch-22?

Slite · 11-11-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieGal

How do we escape the catch-22?

No idea, but the one who figures that one out will make a lot of money

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11-11-2008, 09:55 AM	#184
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	70. I'm so happy, I'm only going to do the countdown on pental days up to 10 Jan 09.

11-11-2008, 10:06 AM	#185
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	that's the spirit, make all the intermediary days redundant

11-11-2008, 10:18 AM	#187
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	I'm glad to see Obama's not just waiting for Jan 10 to get busy. I'm not sure how glad I am that he wants to bail out the auto industry. Not that I want all those auto workers to lose their jobs, of course... but when an industry deliberately and deviously takes advantage of the public on multiple fronts (environmental, social, economic), bribing the government to do it, I have a really hard time accepting that we ought to help them at all... I actually want to see GM fail. Having said that, I wish I had an alternative... but short of outright Federalization of GM, or one of the other (probably foreign) automakers buying them, I can't think of a thing. I'd probably feel better if I thought the people directly responsible for GM's policies would be stripped of their positions (and most of the millions in earnings they've been squirreling away), and a new board and directors were to be put in place to lead them in a sensible direction. But since I don't expect that to happen, either, I'm left with a very sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

11-11-2008, 10:37 AM	#189
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	As happy as I am that gas prices are down, I think it fixed itself too soon to burn the idea of alt fuel into the American mind. What do you think?

11-11-2008, 10:56 AM	#192
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	Changing our infrastructure to allow hydrogen pod exchange/refueling at gas stations has gone nowhere in the US. There are a few experiments going on out in California, but it's more of a gimmick than anything else. It's going to hurt for a while when we finally commit to alt fuel. It will cost money for station owners to add that service. People with petrol-based cars will still have them for decades even after alt fuel becomes the industry standard, and those older vehicles will still need fuel. Such uncertainties make my neck tense up. Ouch.

11-11-2008, 11:00 AM	#194
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	How do we escape the catch-22?