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Old 06-17-2014, 10:52 AM   #46
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Just as Jane Austin's vampire series is considered classic today.


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She did vampires
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Not that I'm aware of. Zombies, yes of course, but not vampires.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:57 PM   #48
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Yeah, zombies. I meant zombies.
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:00 PM   #49
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What about Zombie Monkeys from Outer Space?
Post-apocalypse zombie monkeys from Outer Space
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:02 AM   #50
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Well, being successful in the market does not always equate to being a good writer. As previously noted, when the market is limited, then anything that fills the niche will be successful.

It is the very talented who will dominate that niche after a while, but the pioneers will always have their contributions counted.

Frankly, I find the Faulkner/Hemingway arguments hilarious-- each was exceptional in their own style, and they were less criticising each other (in my opinion) than highlighting their mutual differences in their writing approach.
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Fabulous! It sounds like each and everyone of them needs a saucer of milk (for being catty).
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Fabulous! It sounds like each and everyone of them needs a saucer of milk (for being catty).
Speaking of which, you have a cool looking cat. What's his/her name?
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Criticism isn't the same thing as "hatred". I can criticise someone's writing, without any feeling of hatred towards the writer. Why should personal animosity enter into it at all?
Just what I was going to say. Maybe they mean 'hating on...' Subtle difference perhaps, may be not.

But using their definition of hatred, I'm pretty sure Joyce hated all those guys ...

Personally I love all those authors (at least, the ones that I have read, which is most of them.) Faulkner is probably my favorite, and having studied him a little bit I just like him more – though of course I would never go so far as to say I understand him … does anybody? Last month I met up with this girl using this app. It is an iLove Android App and we were ‘connected’ because we both stated an interested for William Faulkner. As we were chatting about him, I began comparing <i>As I Lay Dying</i> to Hemingway’s <i>For Whom the Bell Tolls</i>. She said I couldn’t possibly like both books, or both author’s because they were so drastically opposed, and were so unenthused by each other’s writing. I had never really thought of it that way before, but perhaps she had a point …
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Speaking of which, you have a cool looking cat. What's his/her name?
Ah! That's Widget - she is one very special cat (if a little on the heavy side.) She was a stray. We let her in for the weekend, and now she rules the roost.
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As Harold Bloom's written numerous books (albeit of literary criticism), I'll toss him in this mix. In The Boston Globe: "Dumbing down American readers" (September 24, 2003), he smote both J.K. Rowling and Stephen King with a single sword while nicking another author, Danielle Steele. Here's an excerpt:

THE DECISION to give the National Book Foundation's annual award for "distinguished contribution" to Stephen King is extraordinary, another low in the shocking process of dumbing down our cultural life. I've described King in the past as a writer of penny dreadfuls, but perhaps even that is too kind. He shares nothing with Edgar Allan Poe. What he is is an immensely inadequate writer on a sentence-by-sentence, paragraph-by-paragraph, book-by-book basis. The publishing industry has stooped terribly low to bestow on King a lifetime award that has previously gone to the novelists Saul Bellow and Philip Roth and to playwright Arthur Miller. By awarding it to King they recognize nothing but the commercial value of his books, which sell in the millions but do little more for humanity than keep the publishing world afloat. If this is going to be the criterion in the future, then perhaps next year the committee should give its award for distinguished contribution to Danielle Steel, and surely the Nobel Prize for literature should go to J.K. Rowling.

What's happening is part of a phenomenon I wrote about a couple of years ago when I was asked to comment on Rowling. I went to the Yale University bookstore and bought and read a copy of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing.
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As Harold Bloom's written numerous books (albeit of literary criticism), I'll toss him in this mix....
Very interesting quote, and certainly one that entitles him a place in this thread. It should also be noted, however, that he's also a writer on religion, and indeed it was his The Book of J (co-authored with David Rosenberg who translated the Biblical texts) that originally brought him to my attention.
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Surely Bloom is a bit harsh on Rowling? I don't know. I am a literature graduate, and although far from an expert, I do appreciate and regonise 'great' literature, Miller included.

But, looking at Rowling, this is someone who - through words - has created a world that people from nine to ninety have grown to love, and empathize with, and think about beyond the last page. Perhaps the fact that Rowling has done that with cliches and dead metaphors should be a note to her credit, and not something to sneer at.

In this article here Bloom is quoted as saying that great literature should "To enrich mind or spirit or personality". I think Potter does that.
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...In this article here Bloom is quoted as saying that great literature should "To enrich mind or spirit or personality"....
Interesting article. Michelle Kerns seems to be somewhat less than a fan of Mr. Bloom.

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