Adobe Digital Editions 3.0 released

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Originally Posted by alanHd

This reminds me of the Sony CD debacle, the ordinary person on the street is not going to be happy if books no longer work on there Ereaders. I imagine the press would have a field day.

Imagine the Amazon's new TV commercial.

DRM got you down? Your ePub eBook no longer opens on your Reader? Well, here at Amazon, all of the eBooks we sell will work on all of our Kindles and all of our Kindle apps/programs.

And this is when people say screw you Adobe, I'm off to Amazon,

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

But is it?
The publishers don't pay Adobe to use their DRM, the ebookstores do.
That is why Amazon and Apple use their own DRM, so as not to pay the Adobe tax. I suspect that if publishers got billed for the DRM--instead of consumers--they would have gone DRM-free ages ago.

Apple has to use their own DRM because not all of the eBooks they sell will work outside of iBooks. If Apple sold their eBooks as ePub and expected all of them to work outside of iBooks, then there would be a heck of a backlash at Apple.

Amazon uses their own DRM & format so they can retain 100% control. Same with Apple and iBooks.

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

The way it's been explained here, if you download the book with ADE 2 and Content Server 4.2, then it gets the old copy protection. If you download it with ADE 3 and Content Server 4.2, then it gets the new copy protection and there is then no way to get a copy of that book with the old copy protection.

Obviously, I'd advise people to only download with ADE 2.0, not ADE 3.0.

Is there anyway to push your statement in everyone's face who uses MR?

I'd advise people to only download with ADE 2.0, not ADE 3.0.

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Originally Posted by tomsem

Libraries are already hedging their bets by lining up deals with Overdrive competitors (3M Cloud library, Axis 360). They produce tablet apps as well as dedicated devices that you can check out from the library. At least 3M does not use Adobe DRM technology. Overdrive could also transition away from Adobe, starting with their tablet apps. As it is their apps already do not support side loaded ePub with Adobe DRM.

I just want to say, 3M does use Adept.

http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpi...omment-page-2/

Libraries purchase ebooks from different distributors—including OverDrive, 3M, and Freading—and each distributor delivers ebooks in different reading apps. But a multi-vendor aggregated reading app is possible. DRM technology does not require a vendor-supplied platform for ebook reading. In fact, because all of our vendors use the same “Adobe Digital Experience Protection Technology” (ADEPT) system for DRM, library ebooks could be delivered to a single app, like our theoretical Book Bench app.

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Originally Posted by Marbles

I am not sure if this is the same thing but here goes. I purchased a book from Kobo and when I went to download it to ADE so that I could put it on a SD card it did not have that option anymore. When I contacted Kobo they told me that it was because the publisher had put it on the site as an ePub3 file. I was somewhat ticked because I have ereaders that are full and I like to use a SD card. Yet I can go to other websites and download the same book to ADE. Hmm any help here.

That is a much-discussed Kobo issue: they don't tell you which format a book is in before purchase. Some are only available as kepubs so you can only get them on your reader by synchronizing with Kobo Desktop. Others (I think those that have neither "eReaders" nor "Blackberry" listed under "Read this on") will work only on tablets.

The only way to determine if a book is available as a standard epub is getting a sample. If that shows as "Adobe Epub" in your library, you are on the safe side. It's a royal PITA, and I once thought that by contacting customer service about the format of every single book I wanted to buy, I could get them to provide proper format info again, but Kobo's vogonesque obliviousness to reasonable customer demands has won, and I stopped doing that.

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Originally Posted by TheSFReader

One could still sideload DRM2 books as well as DRMFree, of course.

But when downloading a *new* Adobe "protected" ebook, it will only come with DRM3, regardless of your reading platform(s).

As for old ones, I don't know what you'll get on subsequent re-downloading.

(All of that if I understand it all)

If that's the case, then Adobe has just handed Amazon the winning goal. It means that the BPH are in trouble as they won't have a leg to stand on to do any sort of dealing with Amazon. They will need Amazon more then ever as I can easily see lots of people switching. Even if Adobe goes back to the way things were, it will be too late and Amazon will have won and goodbye ePub.

Thank you Adobe for potentially making ePub an obsolete format thanks to your asinine new DRM.

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Originally Posted by TheSFReader

Here is the table that figures on the slide that is pointed relating to it

February                          | March-July                        | July
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(ACS 5 + RMSDK 10) = Hardened DRM | (ACS 5 + RMSDK 10) = Hardened DRM | Hardened DRM
(ACS 4 + RMSDK 10) = Old          | (ACS 4 + RMSDK 10) = Hardened DRM | Hardened DRM

But that table doesn't say what happens if RMDSK 9.x is used with either of those two ACS servers. If we don't upgrade ADE, then surly Adobe cannot send us eBooks that we cannot read. That would be wrong.

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

This is what I understood from the presentation. If a retailer has updated to CS5, from July they will no longer be able to download books to devices with the old DRM.

However, if they stick with CS4.x, a quick answer in the Q&A seemed to say that they could still work with the old DRM.

But if this is truely being driven by publishers, then I expect that publishers will demand that retailers move to CS5.

But why would publishers demand that retailers move to CS5? All that will do is cause problems for end users and in that case, end users will say screw you and move to Amazon and then Amazon will be able to dictate any terms they want to the publishers and the publishers will have no way to say no. This is the publishers driving everyone to Amazon when what the publishers want is to be able to deal with Amazon on their own terms. But they won't be able to at all. So for all, it's a lose-lose except for Amazon. The publisher loses, the customer loses, and Amazon wins. Kobo goes out of business, B&N goes away, and we are left with Amazon for all our book needs. Thank you Adobe for handing Amazon everything on a silver platter.

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It could be. But B&N seem incapable of doing anything other than shooting themselves in the foot. I used to buy a lot of epubs from B&N, but they made it harder and harder for me to download my purchases as a file (browser-based) for sideloading. The Download button often didn't appear on my Library page for several hours ... some times not until the next day. I gave up.

I have no problem buying from B&N. But the problem with B&N is usually higher prices. So I buy from Kobo where I can get lower prices using discount codes. Amazon is going to win and they don't even have to lift a finger to do so.

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

You know, whatever you think of Amazon, I am willing to bet that if they introduced a major DRM change for some unholy reason, they'd offer firmware updates right back to the Kindle 1 to make sure all of their customers could still read their books on the devices they'd purchased.

Unless it was not possible to retrofit the older Kindles due to hardware limitations. Like Apple was not able to offer iOS 7 on the original iPad due to hardware limitations. But I do see Amazon offering firmware updates to as many Kindles as possible.

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Originally Posted by jgaiser

The good news -- They listen to customers.

The bad news -- Why the h*ll didn't they check beforehand.

Love my Kindles!

It is still going to be a f*cking mess. Why you ask? Because people will be updating to ADE 3 or downloading ADE 3 for the first time on new computers. nd they won't realize why their newly purchased ePub won't work outside of ADE 3 and they'll have no place to turn to find out why. A lot of people would be lost.

My mother has a T1. I help her with her T1 when she needs/wants help. That's not a problem. I could write instructions for her so I have less to do to help her out. She's good at following directions. But if ADE 3 got in the way, and I wasn't there to help, she'd be totally lost.

I do think Kobo would go to the new crappy RDSMK10 (SP?) and Kobo users won't have a problem (for those that do use DRM).

Also, if publishers start pushing for the use of the new DRM, they will find a lot of customers not buying (if it's clearly labeled as such) or pushing big time for returns.

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Originally Posted by cromag

I can't see how a work like an ebook would merit the kind of resources that an "always online" DRM scheme would require. Plus, too many places where it would fail -- in the park, at the beach, etc. Not that someone might not be tempted to try it, but I suspect that would be a quick "Fail."

An always on DRM would mean a lot of older Readers would just not work and the advantage of eInk's longer battery life would not be such as the WiFi would cause an unnecessary drain on the battery. Plus, all the Readers that don't have WiFi would just become junk for no good reason at all. I can easily see many people unable to afford to replace their Readers and that would then make reading much harder for them.

I was on a cruise recently for the first two weeks in May. WiFi on the ship is satellite. It did not work all the time when out in the middle of nowhere and it it's expensive. So with no net access, the perfect place to read would no longer be the perfect place to read. Plus, it would be a hassle to have to carry many heavy pBooks given no room in the luggage and the luggage close enough to the weight limit for the airline.

This would seriously impact many people's vacation where they do like to read. I did see a lot of people reading using Readers and tablets. More so then pBooks.

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Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

pietvo do you think that those devices are compatible with ADE3 only until Sony implements CS5?

Why would Sony implement CS5 if their Readers are incompatible. i think if Sony stays with any eBookstore and does go CS5, they would be updating their Readers to RDMSK10 except maybe the 500 (unless any other early model cannot do it for hardware reasons).

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Very unstable ?
I couldn't get it to start at all with wine. I've been using mantano on my tablet ever since.

ADE 2 is not unstable. Wine is the issue here. It's not Adobe's fault you don't have Windows to boot to. It's your choice not to use Windows so it's your decision that ADE 2 won't run on your computer. As for ADE 2 being unstable, it's very stable on Windows 7 32 and 64-bit as well as Windows 8.1 64-bit and Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.

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Originally Posted by Barcey

II suspect that it's a hot potato situation. Adobe has probably been getting heat because the existing DRM is so easy to break. They've come out with a solution to address the concern. They've proposed a timeline to implement it

and now they've been told that's too soon. Now they can toss the hot potato back and say it's not Adobe's problem.

Maybe what I should have said is "Here's the gun, it's loaded and pointed at your foot. You decide when to pull the trigger."

However, by giving us more time, there's a better chance the DRM will be cracked by the time it's fully forced on us.