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Old 06-02-2014, 09:09 AM   #241
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It would be innovative if it was released because no one is doing it (in the US). The DX was innovative, but those were the early days. The DX is interesting. But it's no Android tablet. If it had blue-tooth and I could install Android on it, I would have bought one. So perhaps size in itself (even in a market that is so lacking in innovation) is not enough. We need a truly feature-rich device--blue-tooth and Android and size so the device could double as an e-ink monitor and can interface with a keyboard.
Maybe it could be free too while we are wishing

I've no doubt we will have something much better than today's devices in a few years, and I have no doubt that by then I, at least, will be wishing for an even better device.

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Well, what do you know: somebody moved some boxes and found another batch of leftover Kindle DXs. International edition (= USB charging) going for US$199.

http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...rsion-for-199/

Product page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GYWHTU/
Not that I'm going to get one of these but, even though they say for International Shipping, will this ship locally? (I tried putting one in my cart and it didn't seem to have any problem with it.)
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It would be innovative if it was released because no one is doing it (in the US). The DX was innovative, but those were the early days. The DX is interesting. But it's no Android tablet. If it had blue-tooth and I could install Android on it, I would have bought one. So perhaps size in itself (even in a market that is so lacking in innovation) is not enough. We need a truly feature-rich device--blue-tooth and Android and size so the device could double as an e-ink monitor and can interface with a keyboard.
No, it would be innovative if no one had ever done it in the US. Innovation is doing something that's never been done before, and that's not the case with large-screen e-ink.

A full Android tablet with an e-ink display that doubled as a computer monitor would be innovative, but it's unlikely to ever happen.

The biggest advantages of e-ink are daylight readability and low power consumption. It's biggest disadvantages are color reproduction and refresh rate. Any manufacturer is going to put it in devices where the use case maximizes the advantages and minimizes the limitations.

If you look at how tablets are marketed, it's generally as media consumption devices, with video very high on the list. It's so important that video conventions even determine the aspect ratio of many Android tablets. So you have to ask yourself why would a tablet manufacturer cut out the majority use case, watching video, for the minor benefits of improved battery life and daylight readability.

The monitor use case is even worse. The reduced power consumption is largely irrelevant when plugged in, and daylight readability doesn't help when computers are primarily used indoors. It just isn't worth the trade-off of losing access to videos and games; not for the majority of users.

I can see the benefits of it, I'd love an Android tablet with e-ink; but there are five people in my household, all with multiple gadgets and I'm the only one with any interest in e-ink for any application.

The benefits aren't worth the costs for most people, or manufacturers.
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Not that I'm going to get one of these but, even though they say for International Shipping, will this ship locally? (I tried putting one in my cart and it didn't seem to have any problem with it.)
What makes it international is the USB charging.
One of the commenters at the blog ordered without issue so, yes, they'll sell it to anybody. They're not too proud to take your money.
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What's so fantastical about an e-ink 'tablet' with blue-tooth? These devices are available in Europe.
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The benefits aren't worth the costs for most people, or manufacturers.
And yet they are available in Europe. In addition, there are a lot of alternative e-ink devices available in Europe and Asia. Whereas in the US, all we have is...the Kindle!

The only significant difference I can see between the US and European market that might cause this is Amazon's dominance...
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And yet they are available in Europe. In addition, there are a lot of alternative e-ink devices available in Europe and Asia. Whereas in the US, all we have is...the Kindle!

The only significant difference I can see between the US and European market that might cause this is Amazon's dominance...
Can you please post a link to one of these European e-ink tablets?
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The only significant difference I can see between the US and European market that might cause this is Amazon's dominance...
Can you honestly say that you're looking really, really hard for any other differences that might explain it?
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Can you honestly say that you're looking really, really hard for any other differences that might explain it?
I'd look at how many of those models consumers are buying.
And the size of the companies selling them...

Small companies can live off small markets. Big ones can't afford to play in them for long. Which explains why Sony is getting out of ebooks: It's not worth *their* time and effort, though obviously it is worth it to Onyx.
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Well, what do you know: somebody moved some boxes and found another batch of leftover Kindle DXs. International edition (= USB charging) going for US$199.

http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...rsion-for-199/

Product page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GYWHTU/
Mwehehehe. It just won't die, will it?
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Mwehehehe. It just won't die, will it?
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What's so fantastical about an e-ink 'tablet' with blue-tooth? These devices are available in Europe.
Well then what is the problem? Order one from Europe. I am sure it can be done. Or do you feel it should be available at your corner retailer just because that would be more convenient to you.

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Well then what is the problem? Order one from Europe. I am sure it can be done. Or do you feel it should be available at your corner retailer just because that would be more convenient to you.

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Well, what do you know: somebody moved some boxes and found another batch of leftover Kindle DXs. International edition (= USB charging) going for US$199.

http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...rsion-for-199/

Product page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GYWHTU/
Yeah, that's interesting. When did amazon stop manufacturing the dx? Really? The DX is an interesting exception in the otherwise one-size-fits-all US market.
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I'd look at how many of those models consumers are buying.
And the size of the companies selling them...

Small companies can live off small markets. Big ones can't afford to play in them for long. Which explains why Sony is getting out of ebooks: It's not worth *their* time and effort, though obviously it is worth it to Onyx.
Are you saying Europe and Asia are small markets? Or even teeny-weensy Germany?
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