Election day; Vote!

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by ProDigit

I understand, and can relate to that, since in Belgium we experience the same issues with many North african, and poorer south european nations seeking refuge in a wealthier country.

I neither do I want to sound offensive to you, but all I'm saying is, that it matters not where you go in the (Western) world; the same problems seem to appear in the same type of (wealthy to semi-wealthy) nations,I believe due to there being too many people on the planet (about 4 or 6 billion today?).

A lot of people,born out of wedlock are one of the main reasons why; which is connected to the sexual revolution of the seventies.
A lot of freedoms we gain, (partly due to a more liberal party in power, like eg: a president) in the end always comes back to us.

I know I'm really running on an edge here,of a political flamewar on the forum for some,so I don't really want to go too deep about my opinions which probably not many care for anyways ..

But the immigrant issue, I fear maybe only a dictator as president will be able to change that.
Yet I know a dictator is really not what you want as president, if you read back in history of nations ruled by one..

Anyways,I heard on the radio today, that the president elected yesterday, actually will be elected by... something else political in December, am I right?
I mean, certain lawsuits where to be done or something...
Or have I heard that incorreyct?

Absolutely there are too many people on the planet.

The only true solution is mandatory birth control thru-out the world. Any bets on that happening? Nah.
Or, lets go further. You want children? Fine. Prove you can support them. Harsh? Maybe. But what do you call life in the third world countries with starvation rampant?

And yes, illegal immigration could be controlled, without dictatorship. But too many businessmen depend on the cheap labor provided to want that. Its not in their interests. Therefore, they hire them, and if there is a raid, no big deal. There are always more.
Dry up the jobs, and illegals go somewhere else.

You are new in this country, and already understanding that there are two sides to everything. Keep an open mind, listen to all sides, and make up your own mind. We are a great country, despite what many will tell you.

Otherwise, why else are you here?

[yvanleterrible]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Absolutely there are too many people on the planet.

Well, there you go, we could hire Al Quaeda. I'm sure they'd do a great job.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Is this how you see us? Your country? "mooching bully?"

That's how a great deal of the rest of the world sees us. Why do you think most people polled in foreign nations so badly wanted Obama to change that?

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Yet at the same time, I don't see any other country refusing the billions of dollars sent to them annually.

Who is first to send aid to countries when disasters hit?

No, it's NOT always the U.S.. Hell, we're not always the first to send aid when disasters hit in our own country. (Ask Louisiana.)

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

If 'everyone' hates us so, why are they knocking down doors to get here?
You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an illegal anywhere in Arizona.
They come here because it is still a country of opportunity, and better than where ever they are coming from, and that isn't just Mexico or Canada.
Its a country where the term "freedom of expression" allows even those here who are not citizens to protest, publicly.
Its a country which allows its citizens to work as hard as they wish, in order to succeed. That may take more than one job, and it may take working at jobs you may not like, but the opportunity is there.
It does not guarantee success, only the opportunity to succeed.

When the masses stop coming here in droves, legally and illegally, I'll believe the "mooching bully" crap.

Most of them come here for one of two reasons: To make money; or to not get killed. (And some of the latter actually deserve to be killed... but that's another issue.) People who come here for money, do so because they can't make it at home, so they welcome America's phenomenal opportunities in the exciting computer support, janitorial and food services industries... while trying not to complain about the fact that America pays them far less than what is considered fair for an American citizen, and Americans by and large are perfectly happy with that individually unfair arrangement.

So we shouldn't act like we're the perfectest country their is, the Disneyland of nations. We have plenty of flaws, like using up the vast majority of the world's food and natural resources, and contributing disproportionately to global pollution. Like interfering with other governments to make them U.S.-friendly, and winding up our troops and sending them in whenever our gas-guzzling trucks are thirsty. Like feeling like the rest of the world ought to bow and scrape to us, like the rich uncle who buys the nephews the biggest toys for a Christmas he never shows up to see. And like accumulating debt we know we can't pay back, and letting our kids sweat it out. And plenty of Americans daily turn their heads and ignore all that because, after all, "I got mine," right?

No, my country is far from perfect, and I'm well aware of it. While I work comfortably here, somewhere there's a guy in a fish suit, holding up a "Buy from Addie's Aquarium" sign in heavy traffic, choking on carbon monoxide fumes, sweating his b***s off and getting less than minimum wage to do it. And on the other side of the street is a homeless guy who hasn't eaten anything but dumpster trash in a week and wishes like hell that he could have that job.

And I don't want it to be like that. I want it to be better. Plain and simple.

[desertgrandma]

If "the rest of the world" wanted Obama its because he's perceived as someone who can bring peace, prosperity, etc. Its a PR show.

The only Americans who are "happy" with the lower pay the illegals get, are the businessmen who hire them.

Skilled carpenters aren't. Legitimate yardmen aren't. I don't know anyone too proud to work at whatever job it takes to make a living, do you?

Close that avenue, and you have more skilled, higher paid jobs.

Yes, prices would rise. But look at what you got for the lower prices......substandard building, and how many people have gone under even with the 'lower priced' homes built by illegals?
American is not a Disneyland, by any means. And there will always be homeless, and people working in animal suits on corners. If you think thats bad, try living in Africa. Compared to third world countries, we're living in heaven.

How much money has been thrown at these countries, only to be squandered by the corrupt governments?

So maybe some of the blame needs to be put where it belongs, on the countries themselves. And how would you solve that? By throwing more money? All the money in the world is not going to solve the aids crisis, or starvation, or civil strife going on.

Until people start acting like human beings, and not animals, this world will continue on the same course.

And just for the heck of it, just how would you 'make it better'?

[slayda]

Originally Posted by Donnageddon

Voted first thing this AM.

And now tonight I am a happy camper!

I can finally sleep!

Our long (8 year) national nightmare is almost over!

A new day is coming. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

And just for the heck of it, just how would you 'make it better'?

Oh, no you don't. There's a reason I didn't run for President.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by slayda

A new day is coming. Be afraid. Be very affraid.

I've been terrified for 30 years already.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

Oh, no you don't. There's a reason I didn't run for President.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

You shouldn't make that assumption without knowing why I didn't run.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

You shouldn't make that assumption without knowing why I didn't run.

No you don't. We're done.

[DixieGal]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

You shouldn't make that assumption without knowing why I didn't run.

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

No you don't. We're done.

Now you kids go outside and play in the fresh air. Don't come back inside until the streetlights come on, but stay where I can see you. If you need a drink of water, you know where the hosepipe is. Now skidoodle on out there and have fun. Take a book to read on the porch when you get hot. I bring you some popsicles in a little while.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by DixieGal

Now you kids go outside and play in the fresh air. Don't come back inside until the streetlights come on, but stay where I can see you. If you need a drink of water, you know where the hosepipe is. Now skidoodle on out there and have fun. Take a book to read on the porch when you get hot. I bring you some popsicles in a little while.

OH MY GOSH....I just got time warped into a Ray Bradbury book!

I love you, Dixiegal!

[DixieGal]

Right back at you!

[slayda]

Originally Posted by DixieGal

Now you kids go outside and play in the fresh air. Don't come back inside until the streetlights come on, but stay where I can see you. If you need a drink of water, you know where the hosepipe is. Now skidoodle on out there and have fun. Take a book to read on the porch when you get hot. I bring you some popsicles in a little while.

They may need the wirepliers to turn the water on since the handle is broken.

[DixieGal]

Oh yes! I forgot! It's in the toolshed, watch for spiders in there.

I miss my mom, even though I'm channeling her today.