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Amazon is not abusing their dominant market position, unless you can provide better proof than "Amazon is playing hardball with their suppliers, umm... just like every other business ever to exist... just like Hachette". Currently, they are merely using their dominant market position. Like all good businesses do. Like Hachette did to get where they are now. |
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Even if US authorities share your view, it doesn't mean that European authorities will do the same. A company that pays almost no taxes and mainly creates badly paid jobs with frequent labour disputes has few friends. |
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Get this: AMAZON IS NOTHING SPECIAL!! They are merely one among many companies doing the exact same thing! And what they are doing is totally legal anyway! |
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Tax loopholes for large corporations cannot be closed easily by single governments.
The "everyone is doing it" argument is rather lazy and it ignores that negative public perception of a company can hurt a business quite seriously. Walmart tanked in Germany not least because it was seen as a bad employer and Starbucks has been hurt after being called out for its aggressive tax avoidance in the UK. Book buyers may even be more sensitive with regard to such issues than customers of a discount store like Walmart. |
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Again, perception by the public is very much economic issue for a company that sells directly to the public. |
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It is interesting that Amazon has gone to great lengths to pay no more taxes than legally required pretty much everywhere, but is a model citizen at home. As far as "mainly creates badly paid jobs", Payscale.com claims Amazon typically pays its employees 12% above market rate. Here are the hourly rate figures: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...nc/Hourly_Rate |
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However, you would be correct to point out that many other companies want corporate welfare for all their locations, whereas Amazon exempts its home town. So plus there for Amazon. Also a plus is that Amazon money, directly or through the Bezos family, goes to Seattle's first rate Fred Hutchinson Center Center, and to the promising Hutchinson-related biotech startup, Juno Theraputics, that may one day make life better for almost everyone. And according to The Everything Store, Amazon's CEO is a good father and husband. But I don't see this thread as a matter of adding up pluses and minuses to see who is heaven-bound. It's about what's good for literature (defined broadly enough to include serious non-fiction). As least, that's how I'm playing it. |
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Funny. I'm thinking it's about contract negotiations between a retailer and one of its suppliers of product.
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Now...back to the nasty world of contract negotiations. |
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The unfortunate thing is that people let their like or dislike of a company color how they think the guys with the guns should treat that company. If you dislike Apple, then the government should bash Apple at every opportunity and who cares if they have to bend some laws to do it. You don't like Amazon because your favorite independent book seller went out of business, then the government should bash Amazon and who cares if they have to bend the rules a bit.
The problem with that approach is a government that bends the rules to go after a company you dislike is just as likely to do the same to go after a company you like, and when that happens, your moral outrage is dismissed as the hypocrisy that it is. We are all a lot better off if the government stayed out of such disputes. If I don't like Amazon, then I don't have to buy from them. If I don't like Apple, then I don't have to buy from them. If I don't like Google, then there are other search engines out there. If Amazon and Hachette are in a contract dispute, then there are other online bookstores that carry Hachette. I just let Amazon know that their strong arm tactics have inconvenienced me and that I'm taking my business else where. If enough people do that, then Amazon will cave. It's not all that different than the various contract disputes that gets channels pulled from cable TV providers for a while. |
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