Election day; Vote!

[daffy4u]

I just purchased today's issue of every newspaper available on the Kindle... no matter what country. History on the cheap!

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

Can you... feel the... brand new daaayy?

Can you... feel the... brand new daaayy!

(That song's been running through my head since this morning. Might as well torture someone else with it.)

The first song that went through my head was "Winds of Change". For which I completely blame Slite

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

The first song that went through my head was "Winds of Change". For which I completely blame Slite

i think slite is responsible for a *lot* of things around here...

[Slite]

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

The first song that went through my head was "Winds of Change". For which I completely blame Slite

Why? What did I do?

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i think slite is responsible for a *lot* of things around here...

Originally Posted by Slite

Why? What did I do?

i rest my case. (i on the other hand am still listening to "i can't help myself" by the four tops, if that helps.)

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by Slite

Why? What did I do?
:deletedScorpionsVidofThatSong:

That! You did that!

[ProDigit]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

actually kacir brings up an good point, it could be quite interesting to see how non-us citizens *would* vote in this election, if they could. i know in france a lot of people are talking about it and on the radio i heard a lot of interviews with french people saying who they would vote for.

kacir, if you make a poll for non-us citizens, i'll "vote" in it and i'm sure a lot of other people would too ! then we can compare at the end !

Me being non-american I do live here. I put that I didn't vote, but wouldn't mind sharing that I would vote for McCain if I could,with the best of American Economy in mind.
I personally think Obama has lots of change, and different ideas, but not all of those ideas will lead to a better future. Fact is I'm pretty much against a lot of his ideas, and believe that USA in 4 years from here will be in a ton worse condition than it is now.
Reason being, I just moved from Belgium to USA about 6 months ago. In Belgium already a political party like Obama is in power, and really is bringing the whole economy of Belgium (not Europe) down.
I fear that happening here as well.

A lot of ideas seem good in the short run, but in the long run will only cause harm.
However, now that obama has been selected, I am not worried more.
When McCain would have gained power USA would slowly lose economic balance. With Obama, in my idea, it'll gain a quick bit, and then drop drastically. I think McCain is more an industry & economy person, Obama a people's person.
But maybe that's just my own opinion about the whole election thing.

I'm grateful we have a president, that's for sure, and can only pray to God that the new direction the USA (not my own country but I do see it as my own) is going to, will do benefit the country and the world for the better...

About other countries, not all other countries wish the best for USA, and maybe in wrong motives wish for the worst (which I'm not saying that Obama is).. So as a foreigner living in USA, I have my preference, but hope for the better of the states!

I think Obama has a wonderful chance to either gain people's confidence, and destroy racial barriers and prejudges, or, stir up an enormous flood of racism if what the rumors say that he'll sell out his country for the worse (which I expect not to happen).

Either way, for me it would be more beneficial if McCain would win, and that's probably where most of us are(selecting a candidate where we ourselves would benefit most from).

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

ProDigit, your opinions are understandable... surely many people voted for McCain for those same reasons. Unfortunately, the sudden economic crash seems to suggest that the strategy of leaving business to essentially run the economy as it saw fit was just not working on a lot of levels--economic and environmental, especially--and this is one of the reasons why many Republicans voted for Obama.

It's always hard to weigh your impression of what's good for the country against what's good for you, as they may not be the same thing. I admit that, in order to enact serious environmental and energy-related change in America, I expect to be put-out in a number of areas (many of which I have been proactive on, but not all), and not enjoy some of the prospects much. In the future, I could conceivably lose my job, be forced to move, give up my personal vehicle, see the serious devaluation of my currency... none of which would bode well for me personally.

Should this cause me to reverse my decision to support energy independence and environmental cleanup? I don't think so, because those things will result in a better America, which is bigger than me and my needs.

I think a lot of people in other countries supported Obama because they saw the same damage being done to the global economy that has happened here, due to America's influence, as well as America's drain on global economy and resources, which needs to change. They saw a different party as being better suited to enact that change, and Obama as being capable to lead the charge. I do not believe most of them hope Obama will just drag us down... for if America just collapsed, how would that bode well for the rest of the world? They expect him to restore sanity to our government, to bring America back to the global family again, not continue to be that mooching bully everyone hates.

No question, it's going to be hard in that new America. But if it didn't seem to be hard before, I believe that's only because we've been burying the hard stuff in our attic, and eventually, the roof would suddenly cave in under the weight, and we'd all be surprised that we let it get that full.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by Steve Jordan

ProDigit, your opinions are understandable... surely many people voted for McCain for those same reasons. Unfortunately, the sudden economic crash seems to suggest that the strategy of leaving business to essentially run the economy as it saw fit was just not working on a lot of levels--economic and environmental, especially--and this is one of the reasons why many Republicans voted for Obama.

It's always hard to weigh your impression of what's good for the country against what's good for you, as they may not be the same thing. I admit that, in order to enact serious environmental and energy-related change in America, I expect to be put-out in a number of areas (many of which I have been proactive on, but not all), and not enjoy some of the prospects much. In the future, I could conceivably lose my job, be forced to move, give up my personal vehicle, see the serious devaluation of my currency... none of which would bode well for me personally.

Should this cause me to reverse my decision to support energy independence and environmental cleanup? I don't think so, because those things will result in a better America, which is bigger than me and my needs.

I think a lot of people in other countries supported Obama because they saw the same damage being done to the global economy that has happened here, due to America's influence, as well as America's drain on global economy and resources, which needs to change. They saw a different party as being better suited to enact that change, and Obama as being capable to lead the charge. I do not believe most of them hope Obama will just drag us down... for if America just collapsed, how would that bode well for the rest of the world? They expect him to restore sanity to our government, to bring America back to the global family again, not continue to be that mooching bully everyone hates.

No question, it's going to be hard in that new America. But if it didn't seem to be hard before, I believe that's only because we've been burying the hard stuff in our attic, and eventually, the roof would suddenly cave in under the weight, and we'd all be surprised that we let it get that full.

Is this how you see us? Your country? "mooching bully?"

Yet at the same time, I don't see any other country refusing the billions of dollars sent to them annually.

Who is first to send aid to countries when disasters hit?

If 'everyone' hates us so, why are they knocking down doors to get here?
You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an illegal anywhere in Arizona.
They come here because it is still a country of opportunity, and better than where ever they are coming from, and that isn't just Mexico or Canada.
Its a country where the term "freedom of expression" allows even those here who are not citizens to protest, publicly.
Its a country which allows its citizens to work as hard as they wish, in order to succeed. That may take more than one job, and it may take working at jobs you may not like, but the opportunity is there.
It does not guarantee success, only the opportunity to succeed.

When the masses stop coming here in droves, legally and illegally, I'll believe the "mooching bully" crap.

[daffy4u]

Hey, how about those Dodgers... Philly's... Llama's... who won the World Series? I forgot.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by daffy4u

Hey, how about those Dodgers... Philly's... Llama's... who won the World Series? I forgot.

Sorry. Just couldn't let the slam go.

And I think the Ducks won...............

[ProDigit]

Desertgrandma,
USA is surely not the worlds only country pumping money in poorer nations.
I can only speak for Belgium,being the size of NY, you can't expect that country to pump in billions; but perhaps a few million yes...
And there are much more countries funding third world countries.

Obviously not everyone hates USA; many support it; but also there are as many opinions as there are people..
I personally know a few USA citizen leaving USA because they felt disappointed in this nation. And I think a lot of USA citizens migrate to Canada these days as well...

The migration issue is really not a 'Arizona' phenomenon, but worldwide.
You may not be interested, but I have a sister living in greece, Tessaloniki (one of the large cities in greecce) and she says Tessaloniki is a meltingpot of all races.
Antwerp, where I came from has more migrants than original Belgium citizens.
And I'm very sure I there are many many and many more nations that have taken in well over 10% of migrants (that unfortunately tend to flock into 'ghetto's' if I can use this word, and cause a lot of misunderstandings due to being from a different culture).

One thing I know is that Obama is more open to migrants than McCain.

However there is another side to the coin. More migration could mean an improved economy (because there are more people, money comes and goes a lot faster, and the economy just runs better).
There are many theories about that though I know only little of the economy.

[daffy4u]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Sorry. Just couldn't let the slam go.

And I think the Ducks won...............

We did!? No wonder I don't remember. No one told me we were playing. Hmmm, I wonder why? Just because I'm nearsighted and can't see the ball until it nearly hits me in the face doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to play. I'm gonna go complain to somebody as soon as I can find someone who cares. I'm sure this was a violation of the Ducks with Disabilities Act.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by ProDigit

Desertgrandma,
USA is surely not the worlds only country pumping money in poorer nations.
I can only speak for Belgium,being the size of NY, you can't expect that country to pump in billions; but perhaps a few million yes...
And there are much more countries funding third world countries.

Obviously not everyone hates USA; many support it; but also there are as many opinions as there are people..
I personally know a few USA citizen leaving USA because they felt disappointed in this nation. And I think a lot of USA citizens migrate to Canada these days as well...

The migration issue is really not a 'Arizona' phenomenon, but worldwide.
You may not be interested, but I have a sister living in greece, Tessaloniki (one of the large cities in greecce) and she says Tessaloniki is a meltingpot of all races.
Antwerp, where I came from has more migrants than original Belgium citizens.
And I'm very sure I there are many many and many more nations that have taken in well over 10% of migrants (that unfortunately tend to flock into 'ghetto's' if I can use this word, and cause a lot of misunderstandings due to being from a different culture).

One thing I know is that Obama is more open to migrants than McCain.

However there is another side to the coin. More migration could mean an improved economy (because there are more people, money comes and goes a lot faster, and the economy just runs better).
There are many theories about that though I know only little of the economy.

My response was to Mr. Jordens "mooching bully' comment. I never intended it to say that we were the only countries contributing, etc.

As for "migrants' America has always welcomed immigrants...........legally.
The problem is the crushing financial burden illegals bring.
Any child who walks into school must be enrolled, no questions asked. If they do not speak Engilsh, the school is responsible for teaching them. If they have special needs, the school is responsible for providing the proper tools, teachers, aides, needed.
Any person walking into emergency rooms must be treated regardless of ability to pay, and proof of citizenship must not even be asked. Talk to your local hospital administration and ask how that works out.

Illegals are hired using stolen id's......thats a nightmare you'd better hope you never run into.

[ProDigit]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

My response was to Mr. Jordens "mooching bully' comment. I never intended it to say that we were the only countries contributing, etc.

As for "migrants' America has always welcomed immigrants...........legally.
The problem is the crushing financial burden illegals bring.
Any child who walks into school must be enrolled, no questions asked. If they do not speak Engilsh, the school is responsible for teaching them. If they have special needs, the school is responsible for providing the proper tools, teachers, aides, needed.
Any person walking into emergency rooms must be treated regardless of ability to pay, and proof of citizenship must not even be asked. Talk to your local hospital administration and ask how that works out.

Illegals are hired using stolen id's......thats a nightmare you'd better hope you never run into.

I understand, and can relate to that, since in Belgium we experience the same issues with many North african, and poorer south european nations seeking refuge in a wealthier country.

I neither do I want to sound offensive to you, but all I'm saying is, that it matters not where you go in the (Western) world; the same problems seem to appear in the same type of (wealthy to semi-wealthy) nations,I believe due to there being too many people on the planet (about 4 or 6 billion today?).

A lot of people,born out of wedlock are one of the main reasons why; which is connected to the sexual revolution of the seventies.
A lot of freedoms we gain, (partly due to a more liberal party in power, like eg: a president) in the end always comes back to us.

I know I'm really running on an edge here,of a political flamewar on the forum for some,so I don't really want to go too deep about my opinions which probably not many care for anyways ..

But the immigrant issue, I fear maybe only a dictator as president will be able to change that.
Yet I know a dictator is really not what you want as president, if you read back in history of nations ruled by one..

Anyways,I heard on the radio today, that the president elected yesterday, actually will be elected by... something else political in December, am I right?
I mean, certain lawsuits where to be done or something...
Or have I heard that incorrect?