Are you a Cat or Dog person? - Page 14

GeoffC · 10-31-2008, 02:32 PM

woof woof ....

pagansoul · 10-31-2008, 06:33 PM

I like to be around almost all types of animals but I only love cats. My dog, Willow, is a great little girl but my Hammy rules my heart.

badgoodDeb · 10-31-2008, 06:58 PM

I must be a dog AND cat person. I started as a cat person ... married into two shih tzus, who love to slather me with attention. Since the cats were more stand-offish, the dogs won. Now I've removed the husband but kept the two dogs (the cats went elsewhere a few years back).

However, having to come home to walk/feed them inhibits any evening activities, so I may get cats again, when these two age.

montsnmags · 10-31-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Slite

As per the royal wish!

Ahh, that's just luvverly, Slite! BTW, you're full-of-shit about your photo skilz, you know

- you could post photos like this and in your avatar all day long and I'd be watching them.

(BTW, Monty used to rarely lay like that, but Oscar does it all the time. Maggie never lies like that, and objects totally to being "rolled". Her Royal Highness/Golden Girl/Queen B gets on her back for no-one!)

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

little bug cannot resist a shoebox. or any box, really.

I'm going to blow up my own strumpet, and post this again:

Cheers,
Marc

zelda_pinwheel · 10-31-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by montsnmags

I'm going to blow up my own strumpet, and post this again:

oh good. i was going to, if you didn't.

RickyMaveety · 10-31-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Slite

As per the royal wish!

Slite, I could just sit and stare at those beautiful dogs all day ... or until my eyes fell out of my head, whichever came first.

yvanleterrible · 11-01-2008, 09:38 AM

I have waited a long time to answer this one because I wanted to carefully choose my words as not to offend anyone. But I know it will.

I love animals, all animals, even squirrels, and especially cats and dogs. I've had both at the same and at different times. Loved them all.

Sadly, two years ago I've had to have my two cats put to sleep because after a 5 year relationship they started a disatrous marking habit with urine(they were both neutered). My wife and I tried everything for a full year! We painfully gave up...

After a long lonely period I came to the thought that it is wrong to have an animal, wrong to its nature. Ther is no right way about it.

Since then I've devoted my time to people instead. That is where our care should be. My personal reasons for having animals were for selfish reasons. Deep down they are, trust me. No animal can live freely under man's conditions.

If ever I get involved with them, it will be a relation of respect in the wild. One where I will only try to tame for a short while, just enough to enjoy a peek.

vivaldirules · 11-01-2008, 10:19 AM

No offense taken, Yvan. It makes me very happy to see that people still think and feel deeply. I'm sorry about your cats and understand perfectly your viewpoint. Our dog (so remotely related to her wolf ancestors that the relationship is difficult to see) wasn't even meant to be. I look at my daughters and can only think that they were never "intended" (whatever that means) to preen themselves daily, eat stuff out of cans, drive places, stand and work for hours in an air conditioned box, etc. I can't change any of that to any meaninful extent unless we all strip naked and head for the hills. I can just try to be sensitive to how unnatural life is for everyone and try to do the best I can.

yvanleterrible · 11-01-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules

No offense taken, Yvan. It makes me very happy to see that people still think and feel deeply. I'm sorry about your cats and understand perfectly your viewpoint. Our dog (so remotely related to her wolf ancestors that the relationship is difficult to see) wasn't even meant to be. I look at my daughters and can only think that they were never "intended" (whatever that means) to preen themselves daily, eat stuff out of cans, drive places, stand and work for hours in an air conditioned box, etc. I can't change any of that to any meaninful extent unless we all strip naked and head for the hills. I can just try to be sensitive to how unnatural life is for everyone and try to do the best I can.

It is true that every animal living with man has been over bred to such an extent that it would not survive in the wild but the cat.

I would not advocate that anyone should get rid of their animals, just that we not forget our responsibilities over nature, and what our relationship to it should be.

BTW I do like meat!

And some naked people!

pshrynk · 11-01-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

I have waited a long time to answer this one because I wanted to carefully choose my words as not to offend anyone. But I know it will.

I love animals, all animals, even squirrels, and especially cats and dogs. I've had both at the same and at different times. Loved them all.

Sadly, two years ago I've had to have my two cats put to sleep because after a 5 year relationship they started a disatrous marking habit with urine(they were both neutered). My wife and I tried everything for a full year! We painfully gave up...

After a long lonely period I came to the thought that it is wrong to have an animal, wrong to its nature. Ther is no right way about it.

Since then I've devoted my time to people instead. That is where our care should be. My personal reasons for having animals were for selfish reasons. Deep down they are, trust me. No animal can live freely under man's conditions.

If ever I get involved with them, it will be a relation of respect in the wild. One where I will only try to tame for a short while, just enough to enjoy a peek.

I keep a couple pet humans around the house myself.

RickyMaveety · 11-01-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

I have waited a long time to answer this one because I wanted to carefully choose my words as not to offend anyone. But I know it will.

I love animals, all animals, even squirrels, and especially cats and dogs. I've had both at the same and at different times. Loved them all.

Sadly, two years ago I've had to have my two cats put to sleep because after a 5 year relationship they started a disatrous marking habit with urine(they were both neutered). My wife and I tried everything for a full year! We painfully gave up...

After a long lonely period I came to the thought that it is wrong to have an animal, wrong to its nature. Ther is no right way about it.

Since then I've devoted my time to people instead. That is where our care should be. My personal reasons for having animals were for selfish reasons. Deep down they are, trust me. No animal can live freely under man's conditions.

If ever I get involved with them, it will be a relation of respect in the wild. One where I will only try to tame for a short while, just enough to enjoy a peek.

That's so sad. I wish I had known you then, you could have just sent them to me. Several of my cats are markers .... but I've cat-proofed the house to a fare-the-well in order to work around the problem.

My reasons for having animals is because they were about to be put to death. Mostly because they were old, crippled or sick. Some because, like you, the former family could not deal with a behavior problem. My way of thinking was that it was at least marginally better to have the animals living with me than it was to kill them.

Other than that .... well, I really shouldn't have animals because I'm so damn allergic to them.

pshrynk · 11-01-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

That's so sad. I wish I had known you then, you could have just sent them to me. Several of my cats are markers .... but I've cat-proofed the house to a fare-the-well in order to work around the problem.

My reasons for having animals is because they were about to be put to death. Mostly because they were old, crippled or sick. Some because, like you, the former family could not deal with a behavior problem. My way of thinking was that it was at least marginally better to have the animals living with me than it was to kill them.

Other than that .... well, I really shouldn't have animals because I'm so damn allergic to them.

There's more that goes into being a Crazy Cat Lady than just cats. Hell anyone could be a Crazy Cat Lady if that were the case.

Patricia · 11-01-2008, 11:12 AM

I have a lot of sympathy with Yvan's comments.
I must admit that I am appalled to hear of people who have their cats de-clawed, so as to protect thir furnishings. Cats need their claws to climb and to hold things. (Vets mostly won't do this in the UK, but I've heard that it is done in the USA.)
And I hate the way that some terriers have their tails docked, and other breeds are known to have hereditary problems.
I honestly feel that people who want spotless upholstery should not have cats: it's just not fair to mutilate the creature. And some pedigree breeds of dogs should be allowed to become extinct: why breed a creature who will suffer from arthritis or respiratory problems?
But there are exceptions: people (like Ricky, Zelda and my daughter, among others) who live with rescued animals. Also people who actually think about whether they can provide a good home for a creature, so that it can thrive according to its kind.

zelda_pinwheel · 11-01-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

I have a lot of sympathy with Yvan's comments.
I must admit that I am appalled to hear of people who have their cats de-clawed, so as to protect thir furnishings. Cats need their claws to climb and to hold things. (Vets mostly won't do this in the UK, but I've heard that it is done in the USA.)
And I hate the way that some terriers have their tails docked, and other breeds are known to have hereditary problems.
I honestly feel that people who want spotless upholstery should not have cats: it's just not fair to mutilate the creature. And some pedigree breeds of dogs should be allowed to become extinct: why breed a creature who will suffer from arthritis or respiratory problems?
But there are exceptions: people (like Ricky, Zelda and my daughter, among others) who live with rescued animals. Also people who actually think about whether they can provide a good home for a creature, so that it can thrive according to its kind.

i completely agree with everything in Patricia's post. it makes me really furious the way some people seem to think of animals as playthings or objects which can be made to suit their convenience or whimsical fancy, regardless of the pain or unhappiness caused to the animal, and the way they seem to have so little consideration for them as actual living beings with enough intelligence to feel happiness or (sadly) suffer, depending on the circumstances. i really think that there should be a test you have to pass before you're allowed to have pets (there should be a child licence too. that's another debate, but i can't help feeling the two are linked). anyone incapable of the basic respect due ALL living creatures just by dint of their being alive and sentient : FAIL.

desertgrandma · 11-01-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

I have waited a long time to answer this one because I wanted to carefully choose my words as not to offend anyone. But I know it will.

I love animals, all animals, even squirrels, and especially cats and dogs. I've had both at the same and at different times. Loved them all.

Sadly, two years ago I've had to have my two cats put to sleep because after a 5 year relationship they started a disatrous marking habit with urine(they were both neutered). My wife and I tried everything for a full year! We painfully gave up...

After a long lonely period I came to the thought that it is wrong to have an animal, wrong to its nature. Ther is no right way about it.

Since then I've devoted my time to people instead. That is where our care should be. My personal reasons for having animals were for selfish reasons. Deep down they are, trust me. No animal can live freely under man's conditions.

If ever I get involved with them, it will be a relation of respect in the wild. One where I will only try to tame for a short while, just enough to enjoy a peek.

I think its very brave of you say this, in a room full of such animal lovers. I can definitely understand your sense of sorrow.

The last cat we had was put down because of illness and inability to control his bowels. We may have been able to cure that, at great expense, but chose not to. Was that wrong? (Theoretical question here, no need to answer folks.)
Some would ask if a member of the family would receive the same treatment. I loved my cat, but still, realized it was an animal.
Did it affect us? Yes, my husband refused to even think of another pet for years.....and fought mightily to NOT have the cat we have now. Of course, the kitty decided HE was the favorite immediately, and stays on his lap most of the time.
The way I look at it, we're giving this kitty years he would never had have. He wouldn't have lasted another few days on the street in his condition.

My own personal gut wrenchers are zoos. Regardless of the 'humanitarian' reasons to have them (Breeding soon to extinct species, etc.) I cannot abide watch the poor animals in cages.
Do you know, In Arkansas, there is a man who keeps Cougars in cages, breeds them and sells them as 'exotic' pets? Its legal.

10-31-2008, 06:33 PM	#197
pagansoul Fanatic Posts: 509 Karma: 1098204 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Earth Device: iPhone5, iPad Gen3, Kobo, Kindle Fire, Kobo Vox. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7	I like to be around almost all types of animals but I only love cats. My dog, Willow, is a great little girl but my Hammy rules my heart. Last edited by pagansoul; 10-31-2008 at 06:38 PM.

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badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,574 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	I must be a dog AND cat person. I started as a cat person ... married into two shih tzus, who love to slather me with attention. Since the cats were more stand-offish, the dogs won. Now I've removed the husband but kept the two dogs (the cats went elsewhere a few years back). However, having to come home to walk/feed them inhibits any evening activities, so I may get cats again, when these two age. Attached Thumbnails

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yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	I have waited a long time to answer this one because I wanted to carefully choose my words as not to offend anyone. But I know it will. I love animals, all animals, even squirrels, and especially cats and dogs. I've had both at the same and at different times. Loved them all. Sadly, two years ago I've had to have my two cats put to sleep because after a 5 year relationship they started a disatrous marking habit with urine(they were both neutered). My wife and I tried everything for a full year! We painfully gave up... After a long lonely period I came to the thought that it is wrong to have an animal, wrong to its nature. Ther is no right way about it. Since then I've devoted my time to people instead. That is where our care should be. My personal reasons for having animals were for selfish reasons. Deep down they are, trust me. No animal can live freely under man's conditions. If ever I get involved with them, it will be a relation of respect in the wild. One where I will only try to tame for a short while, just enough to enjoy a peek.

11-01-2008, 10:19 AM	#203
vivaldirules When's Doughnut Day? Posts: 10,059 Karma: 13675475 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Houston, TX, US Device: Sony PRS-505, iPad	No offense taken, Yvan. It makes me very happy to see that people still think and feel deeply. I'm sorry about your cats and understand perfectly your viewpoint. Our dog (so remotely related to her wolf ancestors that the relationship is difficult to see) wasn't even meant to be. I look at my daughters and can only think that they were never "intended" (whatever that means) to preen themselves daily, eat stuff out of cans, drive places, stand and work for hours in an air conditioned box, etc. I can't change any of that to any meaninful extent unless we all strip naked and head for the hills. I can just try to be sensitive to how unnatural life is for everyone and try to do the best I can.

11-01-2008, 11:12 AM	#208
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	I have a lot of sympathy with Yvan's comments. I must admit that I am appalled to hear of people who have their cats de-clawed, so as to protect thir furnishings. Cats need their claws to climb and to hold things. (Vets mostly won't do this in the UK, but I've heard that it is done in the USA.) And I hate the way that some terriers have their tails docked, and other breeds are known to have hereditary problems. I honestly feel that people who want spotless upholstery should not have cats: it's just not fair to mutilate the creature. And some pedigree breeds of dogs should be allowed to become extinct: why breed a creature who will suffer from arthritis or respiratory problems? But there are exceptions: people (like Ricky, Zelda and my daughter, among others) who live with rescued animals. Also people who actually think about whether they can provide a good home for a creature, so that it can thrive according to its kind.