Cover problem when using Calibre's "Polish" function

[seacity1]

Hi,
I got the Modify PI. I removed a formerly gray covered book from both the device & my computer before attempting anything. I added the book back in to Calibre. This one had no cover. I cover was successfully added when transferred to the device.

I tried a 2nd book. This one also worked but transferred with a double cover (I have insert/replace) checked.) I don't see an option in Modify to get rid of the first image as there is when you use convert. Do I first have to remove the first cover & then run Modify a 2nd time to add a new one? I've pasted the log file below if that tells you anything helpful. Don't know why Modify is working while Polish does not, but that does appear to be the case in my particular situation. Someone said base code for both is the same but I don't write code so clueless in that area. Just glad it's working! I also don't know if transfer via CC instead of USB would have anything to do with the problem with Polish but simple logic tells me "no" as it makes the transfer sucessfully with Modify. As mentioned CC will always show a image, even when the one in the device bookshelf is grayed out. Have a full day today but will check back later to see if anyone has a suggestion on the double image issue I' seeing with Modify. Although, if you feel it best, I'll check with the dev of the Modify Plug In. The log from the double image tranaction is below. Thanks for your assistance.

Parsing xml file: content.opf
Parsing xml file: toc.ncx
Insert or replace cover
...Looking for guide cover reference
...Looking for meta cover
...Looking for other.ms-* guide references to clean out
...Writing new cover image and titlepage html
New cover image written to: images/cover.jpeg
New titlepage html written to: text/titlepage.xhtml
...Updating manifest and TOC for the new cover
Manifest item added: text/titlepage.xhtml (titlepage)
Manifest item added: images/cover.jpeg (cover)
Meta item inserted: cover:cover
Spine item inserted: titlepage at pos: 0
Guide item inserted: text/titlepage.xhtml:Cover:cover
...Remove any orphaned guide images
...Apply device specific fixes
...Cover modifications completed
ePub updated in 5.08 seconds

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Modify has an option to remove book jackets - and if you set preferences options as per attachment then Conversion won't create them

BR

I see that's the case in Modify & I do have it checked but could not find the option to remove a bookjacket when running convert. If there is one, where would I find it?

[bobstro]

The Quality Check plugin can "find ePub formats that have or do not have a cover that is replaceable when exporting from calibre" according to the description. If you still have problem ebooks, it might be worth seeing what this plugin finds for comparison.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by seacity1

I see that's the case in Modify & I do have it checked but could not find the option to remove a bookjacket when running convert. If there is one, where would I find it?

My understanding is that convert creates 'book jackets' - see my previous post https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=41.

So, if you uncheck Preferences->Conversion->Common Options->Structure Detection->Insert metadata as page at start of book then the artefact known elsewhere as a 'book jacket' won't be created. Its right under the check box for Remove first image.

BR

Anyway, they are nothing like a 'book jacket', they are more akin to a 'title page'.

This is a book jacket http://www.orchardviewcolor.com/site...ess-jacket.jpg
This is a title page http://collation.folger.edu/wp-conte...-06-Goran1.jpg

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

My understanding is that convert creates 'book jackets' - see my previous post https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=41.

So, if you uncheck Preferences->Conversion->Common Options->Structure Detection->Insert metadata as page at start of book then the artefact known elsewhere as a 'book jacket' won't be created. Its right under the check box for Remove first image.

BR

Slightly Anyway, they are nothing like a 'book jacket', they are more akin to a 'title page'.

This is a book jacket http://www.orchardviewcolor.com/site...ess-jacket.jpg
This is a title page http://collation.folger.edu/wp-conte...-06-Goran1.jpg

Thanks for the heads up on the language. I do know the difference. The term remove "bookjacket" is used in Polish so I just thought that's what was being used to describe any inserted item, including the metadata descriptors some people insert. I never check the box for inserting metadata under remove image & have never seen it checked. Only checked item that's always there is "remove fake margins." Since that box is unchecked to start out with I wonder why convert does not remove the inserted information if it is detected during the conversion process? Not a problem because I can get rid of it now that I know about Modify - just curious.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by seacity1

Hi,
I got the Modify PI. I removed a formerly gray covered book from both the device & my computer before attempting anything. I added the book back in to Calibre. This one had no cover. I cover was successfully added when transferred to the device.

As a matter of interest did you run Modify with the Insert or replace cover option checked before transferring it to your device.

Originally Posted by seacity1

I tried a 2nd book. This one also worked but transferred with a double cover (I have insert/replace) checked.) I don't see an option in Modify to get rid of the first image as there is when you use convert. Do I first have to remove the first cover & then run Modify a 2nd time to add a new one?

You should be able to do both Remove existing cover and Insert or replace cover in the same Modify run.

Originally Posted by seacity1

I've pasted the log file below if that tells you anything helpful.

To 'make sense of it' we would really need to know what options you used, and the easiest way for you to do that is to post an screen shot of the Modify settings - if you don't know how to do that, then tell us what OS your using and someone should be able with help you with that.

Originally Posted by seacity1

Don't know why Modify is working while Polish does not, but that does appear to be the case in my particular situation. Someone said base code for both is the same but I don't write code so clueless in that area. Just glad it's working!

Nor do I understand why Polish and Modify behave differently. But my experience is that the behaviour of code is determined by its content, the context in which it's used (Polish v Modify), and by the platform on which it's executing (Linux v Windows, your computer v mine etc).

Originally Posted by seacity1

I also don't know if transfer via CC instead of USB would have anything to do with the problem with Polish but simple logic tells me "no" as it makes the transfer successfully with Modify. As mentioned CC will always show a image, even when the one in the device bookshelf is grayed out.

Can't comment on that as I don't use CC

Originally Posted by seacity1

...will check back later to see if anyone has a suggestion on the double image issue I' seeing with Modify. Although, if you feel it best, I'll check with the dev of the Modify Plug In.

Yes you could check with kiwidude, but if the existing image at the front of the book is not designated as being the cover, then Modify can't be expected to remove or replace it. Inside an EPUB the image to be used as the cover is designated within a section called the titlepage.

If you want to take a look at it then let us know and someone will tell you how do it, its not that its hard or a secret but... information overload...

Also see bobstro's post re the Quality Check plugin, it might give us some clues ==>> https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=48

BR

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by seacity1

Thanks for the heads up on the language. I do know the difference. The term remove "bookjacket" is used in Polish so I just thought that's what was being used to describe any inserted item, including the metadata descriptors some people insert. I never check the box for inserting metadata under remove image & have never seen it checked. Only checked item that's always there is "remove fake margins." Since that box is unchecked to start out with I wonder why convert does not remove the inserted information if it is detected during the conversion process? Not a problem because I can get rid of it now that I know about Modify - just curious.

Aaah, then maybe the books came with a jacket. Just get modify to get rid of them all if you don't want them.

I suspect a book can have multiple jackets (from difference sources maybe - publisher, seller, library manager etc), so maybe calibre convert will only act on the calibre jacket, IMO there should be an option to put them at the back of the book.

I wonder if the problem you have with Polish is related to the problems you had with using the 64bit version of calibre on Win8.

BR

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Aaah, then maybe the books came with a jacket. Just get modify to get rid of them all if you don't want them.

I suspect a book can have multiple jackets (from difference sources maybe - publisher, seller, library manager etc), so maybe calibre convert will only act on the calibre jacket, IMO there should be an option to put them at the back of the book.

BR

That's way too many "overcoats" for me to deal with! God knows what mess awaits when ADE 3 is launched.

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Aaah, then maybe the books came with a jacket. Just get modify to get rid of them all if you don't want them.

I suspect a book can have multiple jackets (from difference sources maybe - publisher, seller, library manager etc), so maybe calibre convert will only act on the calibre jacket, IMO there should be an option to put them at the back of the book.

I wonder if the problem you have with Polish is related to the problems you have with using the 64bit version of calibre on Win8.

BR

I'm not using the 64bit version. I installed it when I got my new laptop about 6 months ago & had problems with Calibre "hanging." Reverted back to 32bit after about 2 days. I known several other people say they had probs with 64bit also.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by seacity1

I'm not using the 64bit version. I installed it when I got my new laptop about 6 months ago & had problems with Calibre "hanging." Reverted back to 32bit after about 2 days. I known several other people say they had probs with 64bit also.

that second 'have' should have been a 'had'

Yeah, I've seen quite a few '64bit not working' reports where the 'solution' has been to use 32bit. FWIW it will only make a difference if you need to convert very large books.

My perception is that there has also been a higher incidence of cover related problems over the past couple of weeks. And like the 64bit Windows issues they are all over the place, intuition says there must be a common cause - but the symptoms vary widely.

BR

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

that second 'have' should have been a 'had'

Yeah, I've seen quite a few '64bit not working' reports where the 'solution' has been to use 32bit. FWIW it will only make a difference if you need to convert very large books.

My perception is that there has also been a higher incidence of cover related problems over the past couple of weeks. And like the 64bit Windows issues they are all over the place, intuition says there must be a common cause - but the symptoms vary widely.

BR

Sorry, not following your comment re the need for a grammer correction ; > My eyesight must be failing. I don't see that I even used the word "have" in what you quoted, let alone twice. I do, however, see a left out word. Since I can't fix it we will just have to do what my 4 yr old grand daughter calls a "pretend." ( I am sure she will be a politician some day.)

I think the more features that are added to a program, the more potential for conflicts. As you said, what works for one person might not work for another due to numerous variables. That's the reason I don't load programs & apps to my computer or other devices that I don't regularly use. I use very few Plug Ins because you never know if one thing will "step on" another. However, you're also right that whenever you start seeing problems of a certain type there is typically a common cause. It just takes a lot of patience & testing to isolate the problem.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by seacity1

Sorry, not following your comment re the need for a grammer correction ; > My eyesight must be failing. I don't see that I even used the word "have" in what you quoted, let alone twice. I do, however, see a left out word. Since I can't fix it we will just have to do what my 4 yr old grand daughter calls a "pretend." ( I am sure she will be a politician some day.)

Originally Posted by BetterRed

I wonder if the problem you have with Polish is related to the problems you had with using the 64bit version of calibre on Win8.

BR

That "had" used to be a "have". (But it was since fixed.) BetterRed was referring to a personal mistake, not accusing you. Hence the red-faced smiley.

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

That "had" used to be a "have". (But it was since fixed.) BetterRed was referring to a personal mistake, not accusing you. Hence the red-faced smiley.

BR should not use of different smileys that have the same meaning within the same thread. As sinful as using different words with the same meaning, or the same word with different meanings within the one scene; not even Spokeshave stooped as low as that, although Goldsmith probably did

That'll put cat 'mongst pigeons, lad. Where's that tin-foil 'at at then

I checked the grammar of the revised version of the sentence at question in Word, Grammarly, Reverso, and Spell & Grammar Check; none complained about the third sentence, although there were some quibbles about the second. Here's my revised version of the post in its entirety:

Perhaps the books came with a jacket. If you don't want any of them use the Modify plug-in to remove all of them .

Maybe a book can have multiple jackets; perhaps from different sources: publisher, seller, library manager, etc., so maybe calibre convert only acts on the calibre jacket.
IMO there should be an option to put them at the back of the book.

I wonder if the problem you have with Polish is related to the problems you had with using the 64bit version of calibre on Win8.

@seacity - please have your four-year old grand-daughter cast her beadies across that. And, don't encourage her to be a politician, cast her instead as an old-school editor, heavens knows we need some of them. IMO we have more than enough mealy-mouthed politicians and hangers-on thereto. Out of the mouth of babes... Psalms 8.1

BR

[seacity1]

Originally Posted by BetterRed

BR should not use of different smileys that have the same meaning within the same thread. As sinful as using different words with the same meaning, or the same word with different meanings within the one scene; not even Spokeshave stooped as low as that, although Goldsmith probably did

That'll put cat 'mongst pigeons, lad. Where's that tin-foil 'at at then

I checked the grammar of the revised version of the sentence at question in Word, Grammarly, Reverso, and Spell & Grammar Check; none complained about the third sentence, although there were some quibbles about the second. Here's my revised version of the post in its entirety:



@seacity - please have your four-year old grand-daughter cast her beadies across that. And, don't encourage her to be a politician, cast her instead as an old-school editor, heavens knows we need some of them. IMO we have more than enough mealy-mouthed politicians and hangers-on thereto. Out of the mouth of babes... Psalms 8.1

BR

Good advice! Did not take it as an accusation. We all have grammar fails. I cringe at some of the allegedly professional book reviews on Publisher's Weekly. There seems to be a major love of the run-on sentence! A lot of parents, including my daughter, are very concerned about the new Common Core standards. They don't even teach cursive writing anymore. The 4 year old is already reading on a first grade level but her Mom, wisely I believe, wants her to develop a love of "real" books first. She loves Mom's Ipad but it's use is very supervised. She loves to come to my office because I keep a little pink toy laptop there & we make her a desk with pads & colored pencils. She loves the paper shredder - good skill for future politicians! Right now she just wants to be "Merida" the Disney warrior princess & "ride like the wind."

[BetterRed]

Originally Posted by seacity1

Good advice! Did not take it as an accusation.

No, I never though you did, but I don't mind that eschwartz thought you might have did. I cut him more slack than I do others on account of he's not much older than your grand-daughter is :lol:

How's goes it with your covers? Reading to your g-d sound like a good excuse. Mine have grown up very nicely, but compared with a 4 year old... meh

BR