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Old 02-04-2014, 04:00 PM   #421
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No, it's not new to me. I intended it to be quite sarcastic (Adobe controlling EPUB and its main form of DRM, while the company itself basically does NOTHING with regard to e-books. They don't have a store, and they are not a publisher.)
Ah, but they hold the publishers in thrall.
And the publishers are lords of ebooks, no?

Give it time.
I'm not sure Adobe is going to go through with this...
...but I hope they do.
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:04 PM   #422
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Ah, but they hold the publishers in thrall.
And the publishers are lords of ebooks, no?

Give it time.
I'm not sure Adobe is going to go through with this...
...but I hope they do.
If they go through with this and actually force sellers to bin the current ADEPT version, they will alienate a lot of customers. Like.... everybody, because all e-readers sold up until today will break.

It'll create havoc.
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:11 PM   #423
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If they go through with this and actually force sellers to bin the current ADEPT version, they will alienate a lot of customers. Like.... everybody, because all e-readers sold up until today will break.

It'll create havoc.
I think it will just cause more people to go looking for de-DRM tools. The exact thing they're trying to prevent.
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If they go through with this and actually force sellers to bin the current ADEPT version, they will alienate a lot of customers. Like.... everybody, because all e-readers sold up until today will break.

It'll create havoc.
Exactly.
And what will this "hardened" DRM achieve in return?

Even the big publishers now know that going DRM-free did not increase piracy for Tor. At some point they'll eventually realize that Adobe DRM on commercial ebooks does nothing for them and actually helps Amazon and Apple. And indie publishers.

I don't expect them to wise up too soon but eventually...
(Maybe 2020. )
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:38 PM   #425
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Am I understanding this correctly?

* According to post #237, B&N uses ACS 4 and alternative Adobe passhash DRM.

* Per post #360, ACS 5 will no longer support passhash DRM???

* Per various sources, Adobe will be enforcing ACS 5 for all booksellers/distributors starting in July?!?

Does this mean B&N will be forced to either abandon ACS and find a new way to serve up books, or abandon their current passhash DRM and adopt the new Adobe DRM?
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:26 PM   #426
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dropping support for passhash? Maybe they should put that on hold and focus on dropping support for hashcat!
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:47 PM   #427
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Am I understanding this correctly?

* According to post #237, B&N uses ACS 4 and alternative Adobe passhash DRM.

* Per post #360, ACS 5 will no longer support passhash DRM???

* Per various sources, Adobe will be enforcing ACS 5 for all booksellers/distributors starting in July?!?

Does this mean B&N will be forced to either abandon ACS and find a new way to serve up books, or abandon their current passhash DRM and adopt the new Adobe DRM?
Not likely. The way I remember the history on this was that B&N objected to paying the Adobe DRM tax because it would put them at a competitive disadvantage with Amazon. They already owned their own DRM (passhash) so they decided to use it instead. Adobe got their panties in a bunch because they were losing the ePub DRM monopoly, so they struck a deal with B&N that would include passhash DRM in ACS4 as an alternate DRM option. B&N wouldn't have to pay the Adobe DRM tax and Adobe could pretend everyone was one big happy Adobe DRM family. I'm not aware of anyone else using passhash DRM other then B&N so Adobe probably decided to drop it.

The point is that B&N was originally going to use passhash DRM without Adobe so they should be able to do so now.
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:53 PM   #428
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Am I understanding this correctly?

* According to post #237, B&N uses ACS 4 and alternative Adobe passhash DRM.

* Per post #360, ACS 5 will no longer support passhash DRM???

* Per various sources, Adobe will be enforcing ACS 5 for all booksellers/distributors starting in July?!?

Does this mean B&N will be forced to either abandon ACS and find a new way to serve up books, or abandon their current passhash DRM and adopt the new Adobe DRM?
Not necessarily.
Nor is it likely.
When B&N licensed Adept for the first Nook, they licensed their proprietary ereader DRM to Adobe for incorporation into ADE alongside Adept (as passhash).
There has been no indication that Adobe exerts and control over Nook's choice of DRM.

In recent months there has been mounting evidence that Adept compatibility has become a negative for Nook's bottom line so if anything, this could provide them with an excuse to part ways with Adobe. Nook has been hemorrhaging market share and money so spending time and money to update their readers just to help Kobo poach their sales doesn't sound like it would be a high priority.
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:54 PM   #429
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And what will this "hardened" DRM achieve in return?

Even the big publishers now know that going DRM-free did not increase piracy for Tor. At some point they'll eventually realize that Adobe DRM on commercial ebooks does nothing for them and actually helps Amazon and Apple. And indie publishers.

I don't expect them to wise up too soon but eventually...
(Maybe 2020. )
I would hope that this big Adobe shakedown would be a huge wake-up call for them. I mean, they can either let go of DRM and make sure people can keep getting their books, or they can ante up, cross their fingers, and hope enough vendors upgrade enough of the readers that are in use that they don't lose too much business this year.

To me, it sounds like a no-brainer. Adding DRM used to only add minor inconvenience and some fees; now it adds more inconvenience and more fees. How long can it take before the other publishers decide to follow Baen's lead?
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:27 PM   #431
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The good news -- They listen to customers.

The bad news -- Why the h*ll didn't they check beforehand.

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Wow. I didn't realize this would make all existing epub readers obsolete! This is absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The comment about libraries is a good one--they barely have enough readers to satisfy their patrons now. If they have to start over, they might just give up on electronic books.

Haven't publishers objected to this? This sends everybody to Amazon!
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The bad news -- Why the h*ll didn't they check beforehand.

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A close read of the Adobe statement reveals the potential for an even bigger mess: publishers will now get to request the stronger DRM on a book by book basis. Chaos incoming!

Wheee!
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A close read of the Adobe statement reveals the potential for an even bigger mess: publishers will now get to request the stronger DRM on a book by book basis. Chaos incoming!

Wheee!
Not really up on Adept. I have a couple of free books from the University of Chicago and a couple Diesel's. So if publisher request stronger DRM and I acquire that upgraded DRM book, which means my Adobe Digital Editions must be upgraded, which means than *unless* I upgrade my earlier books, all earlier books will be lost??? Oh... I can see that's going to be popular too.

Once again.. Thank You Apprentice Alf and Amazon.
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Millions of outraged people are going to be aiming hatred at not only Adobe but also the publishers. People have been spending hundreds, thousands of dollars on books and they are not going to put up with either having to replace perfectly good machines just so that they can continue to read the books they have already bought. Nor are they going to buy all their books all over again.

People will either start pirating, or complaining to any official that will listen.

I see this ending up in court or congress as well.
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