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Old 01-27-2014, 02:14 PM   #241
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No, just a note of what encryption has been used.

The Content Server already has an (unencypted) copy of all the books it handles, and a note of the Adobe ID used for all books bought from the server -
Man, those hackers were dumb then. Why steal people's email addresses when they could have stolen all those books!
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:32 PM   #242
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Man, those hackers were dumb then. Why steal people's email addresses when they could have stolen all those books!
It seems my guess was wrong. Content server stores encrypted copies of the books. (I guess encrypting the book each time would take too long.) It's the decryption key for the book that gets encrypted for each customer.

I should have realised this, actually. Amazon's DRM works in a similar way.
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:51 PM   #243
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Man, those hackers were dumb then. Why steal people's email addresses when they could have stolen all those books!
Personal credit info usually retails for US$50.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:42 PM   #244
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Possibly a dumb question, but here goes anyway.

I just checked my version of Adobe DE and it is 1.7.2.1131. So obviously I haven't even upgraded to version 2.0 yet.

Can Adobe force me to upgrade to the new 3.0? Can it do it on the sly? Like without me specifically clicking on something that says "install Adobe DE 3.0"? (I have no trust for Adobe. None at all.)
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:43 AM   #245
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Can Adobe force me to upgrade to the new 3.0? Can it do it on the sly? Like without me specifically clicking on something that says "install Adobe DE 3.0"? (I have no trust for Adobe. None at all.)
There is no auto update for Digital Editions that I am aware of for personal computers!
you can use 2.0 its seems more nicer.. and it won't cause any issue.

it will take long time to force users to use ade 3.0
if you want new features, then you must use ade 3.0 or update your firmware or buy new ereader..
exciting features are in queue..!
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:47 AM   #246
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Thank you I think I'll stick with what I have. I figure if it's not broken why fix it.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:23 AM   #247
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Like streaming - the feature of every ebook customer's wet dreams...

(Thx for all the info, btw, Akshayy.)
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:54 AM   #248
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Is that really true about the 3M Cloud Library? My library has it, and I can check out books and download them to Adobe Digital Editions.
I stand corrected. I had only looked at the information on 3M's site. They tout the fact that you don't need an Adobe ID. They make no mention of ADE, or of any PC app, or transfer to third party devices. 3M is not an Adobe RMSDK licensee. So it kind of looked like they had figured out how to do things without Adobe's help.

But that was too much to hope for: I went to a library site where they were using 3M and the support page there points to a 'PC app' that you can download from 3M that would let you transfer to a third party device, just as you describe.
That app must be ADE or some flavor of it.

The only twist here is that there's no mention of needing an Adobe ID, even in this latter case. I am guessing that they are using the little-known 'Vendor ID' form of Adobe DRM: http://www.bluefirereader.com/adobe-vendor-id.html

I have not seen this workflow in action but I assume the downloaded vendorID-encoded ePub can be opened with ADE (or equivalent) and that it in turn can proxy the authorization for reading with an RMSDK reading system.

Interestingly, the library site also mentioned Kindle Fire as something you could read 3MCL books on. But the 3M app is not in the Amazon Appstore (or at least not available for Fire, as the Overdrive app is). Ha, and they say you should send email to 'kindle-feedback@amazon.com' to let Amazon know you can't read on your Kindle.

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Old 01-28-2014, 02:06 AM   #249
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I stand corrected. I had only looked at the information on 3M's site. They tout the fact that you don't need an Adobe ID. They make no mention of ADE, or of any PC app, or transfer to third party devices. 3M is not an Adobe RMSDK licensee. So it kind of looked like they had figured out how to do things without Adobe's help.

But that was too much to hope for: I went to a library site where they were using 3M and the support page there points to a 'PC app' that you can download from 3M that would let you transfer to a third party device, just as you describe.
That app must be ADE or some flavor of it.

The only twist here is that there's no mention of needing an Adobe ID, even in this latter case. I am guessing that they are using the little-known 'Vendor ID' form of Adobe DRM: http://www.bluefirereader.com/adobe-vendor-id.html

I have not seen this workflow in action but I assume the downloaded vendorID-encoded ePub can be opened with ADE (or equivalent) and that it in turn can proxy the authorization for reading with an RMSDK reading system.

Interestingly, the library site also mentioned Kindle Fire as something you could read 3MCL books on. But the 3M app is not in the Amazon Appstore (or at least not available for Fire, as the Overdrive app is). Ha, and they say you should send email to 'kindle-feedback@amazon.com' to let Amazon know you can't read on your Kindle.
http://www.bluefirereader.com/blog/?p=158 and sideload. So technically they are right. Even if that isn't much of a help for many people, who find even this beyond them.
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:39 AM   #250
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I just downloaded the 3M Cloud Reader app. The splash screen and About screen both say Adobe Reader Mobile with the Adobe logo. Also, when launching it for the first time it gave me the option of providing an Adobe ID or using a 3M ID to activate it.

More info in this FAQ: http://3m-ssd.implex.net/cloudapps/support.html

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So, people who update ADE just because there's an update may find their current readers to be useless after buying new books. Nice... not. This is going to cause trouble.
This is also correct! Unfortunately they will have to wait for updates on their eReaders if they opened the acsm in ADE 3.0 for the first time!
DL reader on android and iOS has updated to rmsdk 10, not sure about other readers yet.
Not much chance that my ereader's (Onyx Boox) firmware will be updated.

So my ereader will not read ebooks with the new DRM, therefore I will not switch over to ADE 3.0. And it still functions well and doesn't have any sign of being at the end of its life. Would this ever be obligatory in the future and the device still works then I will have to stop buying DRM'ed epubs until the scheme has been cracked.
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:45 AM   #252
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There is no auto update for Digital Editions that I am aware of for personal computers!
you can use 2.0 its seems more nicer.. and it won't cause any issue.
I personally saw issues with corrupted epubs with ADE 2.0 that I did not see with version 1.7, so I intend to stay on it for as long as possible.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:38 AM   #253
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I personally saw issues with corrupted epubs with ADE 2.0 that I did not see with version 1.7, so I intend to stay on it for as long as possible.
Maybe I should update to 2.0 then. For ADE I take if it ain't broke don't fix it a little further than most.
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Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.

I need to be sure that *any* PDF I create, fill out, and sign will work 100% in Adobe Reader and Acrobat, so it is a bad idea to use other programs than the Adobe ones.
FWIW, I've never had a single issue with Nitro and PDFs, including signatures, markups, etc. I don't install Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat on any of my machines anymore.
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