Paperwhite Second Gen: First Impressions

[booklover6]

Originally Posted by l_macd

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also an issue that if you sideload books that are not purchased from Amazon, when you add it to a collection it will give you an added message about the book not being in the cloud?

Yes, isn't that delightful?

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by booklover6

Yes, isn't that delightful?

What if you send the book as a pdoc would that make the message go away?

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by Blossom

What if you send the book as a pdoc would that make the message go away?

I'm sure it would but 1. Why would you want to? and 2. It wouldn't change the annoying nags when the wifi is off. Not only do you have to deal with that but it takes a significant amount of time to make any collections adjustments, well over 3 minutes per book. Even though you tell it not to connect it is as if it is still trying to connect to remember the collection information. I tried to add the same book with the wifi on and it took a few seconds when the wifi is on. Amazon really didn't think that through, did it never occur to them that there are users who are not always in a wifi zone or who pay for usage.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by l_macd

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also an issue that if you sideload books that are not purchased from Amazon, when you add it to a collection it will give you an added message about the book not being in the cloud?

Hmmm

I'm not getting that error.

I just bought a SQL 2012 book from O'Reilly last night and added via "Send to Kindle" using my MacAir. A min or so later, it appear on the cloud. Then I added to my IT collection without issues.

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by nynaevelan

I'm sure it would but 1. Why would you want to? and 2. It wouldn't change the annoying nags when the wifi is off. Not only do you have to deal with that but it takes a significant amount of time to make any collections adjustments, well over 3 minutes per book. Even though you tell it not to connect it is as if it is still trying to connect to remember the collection information. I tried to add the same book with the wifi on and it took a few seconds when the wifi is on. Amazon really didn't think that through, did it never occur to them that there are users who are not always in a wifi zone or who pay for usage.

Have you reported these problems to Amazon? I am sure it will be fixed in the next update if it's been reported.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Hmmm

I'm not getting that error.

I just bought a SQL 2012 book from O'Reilly last night and added via "Send to Kindle" using my MacAir. A min or so later, it appear on the cloud. Then I added to my IT collection without issues.

Once you add it to the cloud it is no longer a sideloaded book, so the problem would of course go away.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by Blossom

Have you reported these problems to Amazon? I am sure it will be fixed in the next update if it's been reported.

Yes, twice.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by nynaevelan

Once you add it to the cloud it is no longer a sideloaded book, so the problem would of course go away.

Sorry if this is a silly question, but what's the problem with that? It's actually convenient to have a copy on the cloud, in my opinion, instead of locally. You can lose all your side loaded ebooks if you also lose your Kindle or something happened to the hardware, or the copy you may have at home.

Besides keeping a copy locally, I always send my Oreilly books to the cloud. They are there ready for me to be downloaded if needed.

[dordale]

Lucky for me I don't use collections on my PW. I use them on my Sonys and love them because they interface with Calibre so well. I would use them on the Kindle, if they were easy to use and manage with Calibre. I don't have any interest in having my collections/side loaded documents in the cloud. I'm perfectly happy sideloading most of my books through Calibre and letting Calibre be my book manager.

IMO, Amazon has made the collections difficult to use on their readers--especially on the new PW2 with update--unless you use them exactly like they want you to use them--no side loading, no sharing of accounts/multiple Kindles with different collections. I also think it's silly that all the books not currently on your Kindle, but in a "cloud collection" show up in the collection under device view. I wouldn't like that at all. And from everything I've read--there is no way to manage a cloud collection except through a device? If it were truly a "cloud collection", I would think there would be some sort of interface to access my "cloud" directly to add/delete/rename collections and choose which Kindle(s) I want which collections to show on.

It'll be interesting to see what the next firmware brings. I'd love to be able to use collections on my KPW2 to place my books in series. But for now, I'm using Calibre plugboards to put the series information in the book title and that works okay.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Sorry if this is a silly question, but what's the problem with that? It's actually convenient to have a copy on the cloud, in my opinion, instead of locally. You can lose all your side loaded ebooks if you also lose your Kindle or something happened to the hardware, or the copy you may have at home.

Besides keeping a copy locally, I always send my Oreilly books to the cloud. They are there ready for me to be downloaded if needed.

I do not like putting my non-Amazon books on their cloud, not to mention it would be too many of them, and most of them are small novellas or free books I've created or gotten on the net.

And I am not worried about losing my books, I have so many backup copies along with two other cloud drives that they are on, the entire Eastern seaboard would have to be destroyed for me not to be able to get to them. And if that happens, reading won't be a priority.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by dordale

Lucky for me I don't use collections on my PW. I use them on my Sonys and love them because they interface with Calibre so well. I would use them on the Kindle, if they were easy to use and manage with Calibre. I don't have any interest in having my collections/side loaded documents in the cloud. I'm perfectly happy sideloading most of my books through Calibre and letting Calibre be my book manager.

IMO, Amazon has made the collections difficult to use on their readers--especially on the new PW2 with update--unless you use them exactly like they want you to use them--no side loading, no sharing of accounts/multiple Kindles with different collections. I also think it's silly that all the books not currently on your Kindle, but in a "cloud collection" show up in the collection under device view. I wouldn't like that at all. And from everything I've read--there is no way to manage a cloud collection except through a device? If it were truly a "cloud collection", I would think there would be some sort of interface to access my "cloud" directly to add/delete/rename collections and choose which Kindle(s) I want which collections to show on.

It'll be interesting to see what the next firmware brings. I'd love to be able to use collections on my KPW2 to place my books in series. But for now, I'm using Calibre plugboards to put the series information in the book title and that works okay.

I agree, I just hope this is something they are working on correcting, but I won't hold my breath.

[Blossom]

It's not so much having WiFi on all the time but the Kindle should be for travel. What about those who are going camping for a week or on a long car ride? This is definitely something people need to point out to Amazon. By expecting people to be connecting all the time the Kindle loses to it's competition.

If I am going on a trip I'm not going to take something that nags at me. I am going to take a eReader that works well without WiFi.

[sirmaru]

Originally Posted by Blossom

It's not so much having WiFi on all the time but the Kindle should be for travel. What about those who are going camping for a week or on a long car ride? This is definitely something people need to point out to Amazon. By expecting people to be connecting all the time the Kindle loses to it's competition.

If I am going on a trip I'm not going to take something that nags at me. I am going to take a eReader that works well without WiFi.

When I am away from my house, I have airplane mode on all the time and have never received messages about WiFi being off.

I don't understand what messages you are getting. I have never received a single message.

Maybe some setting controls this. Both of my units are paid not to show ads. Maybe those, which show ads, get the messages.

[soulfuldog]

Originally Posted by booklover6

Yes, isn't that delightful?

Cheers, at least I've managed to get a laugh out of it..... delightful, yes quite!

Originally Posted by jocampo

Sorry if this is a silly question, but what's the problem with that? It's actually convenient to have a copy on the cloud, in my opinion, instead of locally.

I personally prefer to keep my books organised with proper library management software like Calibre. It makes it far easier to choose which book to read when you can sort into different genres at the touch of a button, or show only books in series etc. And most importantly for me, easily view all of this plus the cover and quick synopsis of the book all on one page. I use a combination of Calibre and Dropbox, plus an external HDD to store my books, so the Amazon cloud is really only a tertiary back-up.

My problem is that I do, on occasion, buy books from Amazon and send them directly to my Kindle, so simply avoiding the firmware update isn't really an option, I'm going to end up with it eventually, and when I do, it's going to be a real pain.

Originally Posted by dordale

IMO, Amazon has made the collections difficult to use on their readers--especially on the new PW2 with update--unless you use them exactly like they want you to use them--no side loading, no sharing of accounts/multiple Kindles with different collections.

This is it exactly, Amazon have made it unnecessarily annoying unless you use your Kindle in a set way. If there isn't a change made in a future firmware update, I guess the only answer is just not to use any collections? Even then, if that works, I'll probably be fine since I rarely have more than 20-30 books on my Kindle, but not much use to many others who need collections.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

When I am away from my house, I have airplane mode on all the time and have never received messages about WiFi being off.

I don't understand what messages you are getting. I have never received a single message.

Maybe some setting controls this. Both of my units are paid not to show ads. Maybe those, which show ads, get the messages.

You get these messages when making collection changes while wifi is off. Now you cannot make any changes quickly unless it is on, and for sideloaded books you get two annoying messages, one asking you to connect/ignore and one telling you the collection for that book will not be saved on the cloud.