Paperwhite Second Gen: First Impressions

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by jocampo

I hear you, and you have valid concerns, but to be perfectly honest, the issue is not with Kindle, but you trying to side load books and using Calibre; nice software but certainly not designed by Amazon. Amazon's intentions are actually clear, you getting or buying books from them. Any deviation of that may break whatever customized experience you may have now. Kind of reminds me previous Nooks, when people start complaining that B&N patches broke their readers! after installing custom ROMs.

I also had some "ghost collections" from previous Kindle devices. I just deleted those once and that fixed the issue. They no longer appear on my newer Kindles.

I've read the other thread and the people that are complaining are basically because one of these two reasons, or both :

-They shared same Kindle account
-They side load content and barely use or buy Amazon books

Which again, valid concerns but maybe they should stay away of Kindles altogether and get a more "international" type of reader, like a Sony or Kobo.

Actually if I may jump into the middle of this conversation the situation is directly related to kindle and how Amazon has the new update programmed. I use Calibre to sideload my books also, but 98-99% of my books are purchased either through Amazon or through my library which is connected to my MYK page on Amazon. All these books are recognized in Amazon as their books, and like booklover6 I do not turn my wifi on. The only time it is on is when I really want a book that isn't on my device and I need to get it from the Cloud, which is practically never. However if I want to make collection changes, which is at least once a week but most times every few days. With this new date, I am constantly getting the "nag" to connect/ignore. Which is VERY inconvenient and a major PITA. I do not understand why Amazon is now trying to force users to constantly keep their wifi on, especially when they add that blurb about the battery not needing a charge as often if the wifi is left off.

I also do not like that I can no longer import collections from kindle for pc, but that is a beast of another day.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

I only have my Kindles connected to WiFi when actually reading on them. I've never noticed them bugging for WiFi but I have WiFi on when using them. I turn WiFi off when not using them.

Why is it so terrible to keep WiFi on when using the device? I don't get it.

When I am away from home and am not using WiFi at all, I have never noticed any messages to connect to WiFi. Perhaps, you have a setting wrong.

On the other hand, when not using WiFi, I keep Airplane mode on. Maybe you should use Airplane mode.

Personally I keep my wifi off because I like to prolong the times when I have to charge it, giving me more reading time per charge. I usually only plug in my device once a month or more. I read A LOT on my device, so I do not want the wifi which I rarely use to drain my battery.

[ucfgrad93]

Originally Posted by nynaevelan

Personally I keep my wifi off because I like to prolong the times when I have to charge it, giving me more reading time per charge. I usually only plug in my device once a month or more. I read A LOT on my device, so I do not want the wifi which I rarely use to drain my battery.

I do the same thing. I always keep wifi/3G off unless I'm downloading a book.

[nynaevelan]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

@sirmaru seems to be forgetting that leaving aside people who ever connect their Kindle to the computer at all, for any reason whatsoever, Cloud Collections STILL doesn't work if it keeps bugging you for a Wi-Fi connection.

No one has ever bought a Kindle, ever, with the assumption that it will be connected to Wi-Fi absolutely 100% of the time. Unfortunately, you would have to do just that to get a truly seamless user experience even as a sirmarustomer (new word that means someone who buys 10 books and assumes he is typical of all readers).

And somehow, Amazon managed to make a Kindle Basic, Touch, AND PW1 which work just fine with sideloaded content, so why break it now?

They don't have to support any third-party apps whatsoever, just freaking make sure that non-amazon books don't BREAK THE @!#&%ING READER!!!!


At this point, why do they bother to allow sideloading at all?

What do you mean by broken? Other than my sideloaded books that are in collections not being saved when I deregister/reregister the device from my account I am not having any trouble with them.

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by ucfgrad93

I do the same thing. I always keep wifi/3G off unless I'm downloading a book.

Same here. I don't like always-on connectivity on devices that don't need it. On the KPW1, it just drains the battery without providing any benefit during reading. (I don't do highlights, or lookups in Wikipedia and so on. The dictionary is more than enough for the occasional word I don't know.)

[dordale]

Originally Posted by Belle2Be

Wait I sideload my books and it hasn't broken it, am I missing something?

I also sideload books--keep wifi off most of the time, so firmware hasn't updated yet. I don't anticipate any problems when/if my firmware does update. From my understanding--reading here and elsewhere--the problems crop up for folks who use collections, and the way Amazon has chosen to implement "cloud collections". I can certainly understand why this is annoying to a lot of people--doesn't seem like something the developers thought through very well.

[sirmaru]

I never turn WiFi off. I simply use Airplane mode to stop its activity.

Maybe you folks getting those nag messages should go to Airplane mode. I never get any of those messages.

Battery drain does not seem to be affected since I get 9 days on my HDX 2013 and 18 days on my PW 2013 before needing a recharge.

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

I never turn WiFi off. I simply use Airplane mode to stop its activity.

Maybe you folks getting those nag messages should go to Airplane mode. I never get any of those messages.

Battery drain does not seem to be affected since I get 9 days on my HDX 2013 and 18 days on my PW 2013 before needing a recharge.

I thought that was how you turned it off?

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

Yes, of course. You're missing a huge chance to rant on this forum. Please contact Amazon and request them to properly break your Kindle

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by dordale

I also sideload books--keep wifi off most of the time, so firmware hasn't updated yet. I don't anticipate any problems when/if my firmware does update. From my understanding--reading here and elsewhere--the problems crop up for folks who use collections, and the way Amazon has chosen to implement "cloud collections". I can certainly understand why this is annoying to a lot of people--doesn't seem like something the developers thought through very well.

Ah OK I see. I don't use collections so that explains it

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by Belle2Be

I thought that was how you turned it off?

It is. You turn WiFi off by turning on Airplane mode. Amazon changed the wording because people were being force to turn off their Kindles during take off. The K3 still says WiFi it has no airplane mode.

[FizzyWater]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

Sigh... A reader shouldn't download anything except when instructed to do so. What if you don't want ALL your ebooks on your device?

I think part of the problem is what you choose in the dropdown when you buy the book at Amazon. It defaults to "send to your xyz (main) device". If you want to download and load them only when you want them, you have to choose the option to download via the computer to keep it from automatically trying to push it down when you turn on the WiFi.

It would be nice if you could make "download via USB" as the first choice, but I haven't seen an option for that anywhere.

I had to remove both the Nook and Kindle apps from my phone because they both seemed to want to download every flippin' ebook I have. The phone definitely doesn't have the memory for that!

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by FizzyWater

I think part of the problem is what you choose in the dropdown when you buy the book at Amazon. It defaults to "send to your xyz (main) device". If you want to download and load them only when you want them, you have to choose the option to download via the computer to keep it from automatically trying to push it down when you turn on the WiFi.

It would be nice if you could make "download via USB" as the first choice, but I haven't seen an option for that anywhere.

I had to remove both the Nook and Kindle apps from my phone because they both seemed to want to download every flippin' ebook I have. The phone definitely doesn't have the memory for that!

Send it to Cloud Reader (even if you never use it after setting it up one time).

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

I never turn WiFi off. I simply use Airplane mode to stop its activity.

Er, that IS how you turn WiFi off.

[soulfuldog]

Originally Posted by dordale

I also sideload books--keep wifi off most of the time, so firmware hasn't updated yet. I don't anticipate any problems when/if my firmware does update. From my understanding--reading here and elsewhere--the problems crop up for folks who use collections, and the way Amazon has chosen to implement "cloud collections". I can certainly understand why this is annoying to a lot of people--doesn't seem like something the developers thought through very well.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there also an issue that if you sideload books that are not purchased from Amazon, when you add it to a collection it will give you an added message about the book not being in the cloud?