"Is Government the Only Force Able to End Amazon Dominance?" - Page 4

patrickt · 12-04-2013, 06:43 AM

Is Amazon the only force capable of ending government domination of our personal lives?

crossi · 12-04-2013, 07:19 AM

Amazon earned it's market share for ebook sales. Others had ebook readers first but Amazon had the first large intergrated system of ebook store and device custom made to make searching and buying easy. They also take customer service seriously. That contact me button they had where you got a phone call in about 10 seconds was amazing as was their return policy. On one of their forums I made a complaint about a Fire I bought. The next day I got a phone call from them and they told me how to fix the problem. How many businesses would do that? In many businesses it's hard to even find the contact information and then work your way through a phone tree to talk to a live person. Assuming there even is a live contact person.

kennyc · 12-04-2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crossi

..... That contact me button they had where you got a phone call in about 10 seconds was amazing as was their return policy. ......

Was?

.

fjtorres · 12-04-2013, 08:14 AM

I read that as "was equally impressive".

BadBilly · 12-05-2013, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

By that logic EVERY CORPORATION IN THE WORLD should be SHUT DOWN or controlled by THE GOVERNMENT!

You say that as if screaming somehow makes your opinion a fact. As the issue of the role of government in the economy and regulation is, to a considerable extent, based on opinion (as to what should be the desired outcome), acting like it is otherwise is foolish.

cfrizz · 12-05-2013, 06:02 AM

It has been shown in trial that Amazon has NOT broken any laws, unlike Apple with its collusion with publishers to take over ebook pricing. They are the leader for the simple fact that they give us the customers what we want at prices we are willing to pay.

When someone else comes in and delivers the same with excellent customer service Amazon will start to lose its dominance. Until then there is no need for govt interference.

kennyc · 12-05-2013, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BadBilly

You say that as if screaming somehow makes your opinion a fact. As the issue of the role of government in the economy and regulation is, to a considerable extent, based on opinion (as to what should be the desired outcome), acting like it is otherwise is foolish.

Where you see a scream I see a whimper. And the meek shall inherit the Earth....wait, what???

fjtorres · 12-05-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

And the meek shall inherit the Earth....wait, what???

...in four by six foot lots.

fjtorres · 12-05-2013, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cfrizz

When someone else comes in and delivers the same with excellent customer service Amazon will start to lose its dominance. Until then there is no need for govt interference.

...And even less need then.

In the recent 60 minutes interview, Bezos made it clear he expects Amazon to be disrupted and displaced at some point.
Just not soon.

(As in, "not while I'm alive".)

kennyc · 12-05-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

...in four by six foot lots.

There a novel by the wonderful Clifford D. Simak - "Cemetary World" -- excellent stuff!

kennyc · 12-05-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

...And even less need then.

In the recent 60 minutes interview, Bezos made it clear he expects Amazon to be disrupted and displaced at some point.
Just not soon.

(As in, "not while I'm alive".)

That's how Evolution works.

fjtorres · 12-05-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

There a novel by the wonderful Clifford D. Simak - "Cemetary World" -- excellent stuff!

Similar outcome in CITY.
Mankind outgrows earth, dogs inherit.
Simak is sadly underappreciated.

Every dog has its day.

And today is Amazon's "day".

HaemishM · 12-06-2013, 05:03 PM

The biggest problem with Amazon's dominance of the eBook market is that they can control... everything basically. Pricing, terms with creators, availability of material, everything. Most of my sales are through the Kindle store. If suddenly Amazon decided they didn't want indie authors anymore, or they didn't want to list fiction, I'd be up a creek without paddle. As much as I appreciate Amazon, I would like B&N, Kobo or anyone else to provide as good a platform for selling and buying books.

fjtorres · 12-06-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HaemishM

The biggest problem with Amazon's dominance of the eBook market is that they can control... everything basically. Pricing, terms with creators, availability of material, everything. Most of my sales are through the Kindle store. If suddenly Amazon decided they didn't want indie authors anymore, or they didn't want to list fiction, I'd be up a creek without paddle. As much as I appreciate Amazon, I would like B&N, Kobo or anyone else to provide as good a platform for selling and buying books.

Absolutely.
But how is it Amazon's fault that they've been blessed with inept opponents?
When it comes to indie publishers, who else relies on them as much as Amazon?
Who supports them as strongly and creatively?

Without going too far:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...die-publishers

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Amazon has been careful not to ghettoise self-published works, instead listing them with equal ranking alongside those from traditional houses, in a move that has irked some established publishers and led to calls for self-published works to be categorised separately.

Amazon doesn't do this out of the kindness of their heart but out of basic self interest: a strong indie publishing sector is Amazon's best protection against the BPH cartel. Why would they turn around and squeeze them out when they are an increasingly important part of their business?

speakingtohe · 12-06-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Absolutely.
But how is it Amazon's fault that they've been blessed with inept opponents?
When it comes to indie publishers, who else relies on them as much as Amazon?
Who supports them as strongly and creatively?

Without going too far:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...die-publishers

Amazon doesn't do this out of the kindness of their heart but out of basic self interest: a strong indie publishing sector is Amazon's best protection against the BPH cartel. Why would they turn around and squeeze them out when they are an increasingly important part of their business?

true overall. Amazon.com (US) also supports multi vendors in many product areas. Prices are good in general, as is support. Amazon.ca is a bit different. The prices for merchandise are often 2-3 times regular retail. And the selection is much poorer, which is probably to be expected.

xanthe kindly pointed out a special on Amazon.com for 14.99 but the shipping was $67. Amazon.ca base price was $47 but included free shipping. I was able to buy it at Staples for $19.99

I buy occasionally from Amazon.com when that is the only place I can get something. I do expect to pay double the American price though.

Helen

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12-04-2013, 06:43 AM	#46
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	Is Amazon the only force capable of ending government domination of our personal lives?

12-04-2013, 07:19 AM	#47
crossi Guru Posts: 997 Karma: 12000001 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle Wahington U.S. Device: kindle	Amazon earned it's market share for ebook sales. Others had ebook readers first but Amazon had the first large intergrated system of ebook store and device custom made to make searching and buying easy. They also take customer service seriously. That contact me button they had where you got a phone call in about 10 seconds was amazing as was their return policy. On one of their forums I made a complaint about a Fire I bought. The next day I got a phone call from them and they told me how to fix the problem. How many businesses would do that? In many businesses it's hard to even find the contact information and then work your way through a phone tree to talk to a live person. Assuming there even is a live contact person.

12-04-2013, 08:14 AM	#49
fjtorres Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000	I read that as "was equally impressive".

12-05-2013, 06:02 AM	#51
cfrizz Wizard Posts: 1,570 Karma: 36389706 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Quincy, MA Device: Samsung 54A, Kobo Libra H2O, Samsung S6 Lite	It has been shown in trial that Amazon has NOT broken any laws, unlike Apple with its collusion with publishers to take over ebook pricing. They are the leader for the simple fact that they give us the customers what we want at prices we are willing to pay. When someone else comes in and delivers the same with excellent customer service Amazon will start to lose its dominance. Until then there is no need for govt interference.

12-06-2013, 05:03 PM	#58
HaemishM Author Posts: 60 Karma: 100000 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Jackson, MS Device: Motorola Xoom	The biggest problem with Amazon's dominance of the eBook market is that they can control... everything basically. Pricing, terms with creators, availability of material, everything. Most of my sales are through the Kindle store. If suddenly Amazon decided they didn't want indie authors anymore, or they didn't want to list fiction, I'd be up a creek without paddle. As much as I appreciate Amazon, I would like B&N, Kobo or anyone else to provide as good a platform for selling and buying books.