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Old 10-26-2013, 09:53 PM   #16
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This is strangely specific. Historical fiction released on ebook, written by a female author, and at bargain price as sold on Amazon UK. Could you get any more specific!? Who is the intended audience for this thread?
Women of course! I think the men are just bored.
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It is the book that matters. Perhaps a better label would be "Historical Romance" or "Romance with historical elements"?
I started reading more about a year ago and one thing that stands out to me is that romance has invaded nearly every other genre. In some cases it has nearly taken over. I find that many books labeled Historical Fiction are really romance novels in a historical setting. I've picked up one or two fantasy series which started out as fantasy but by the third book or so had turned into a romance in a fantasy setting. Nearly all of these books were written by women. Perhaps I've made unfortunate choices but from what I've seen women seem more likely to introduce a strong romantic element. If that is true, then perhaps the author's sex is a consideration.
No because these aren't romances. A romance focuses on a couple chemistry and how they fall in love and they're always a happy ending. No happy ending no romance. If it's a tragic ending then it's a love story not a romance.

Historical Fiction tells a story about characters in a time period. It focuses on that instead of two people falling in love and the physical attraction they have for one another. Even if there are some romantic elements in a novel that doesn't make it a romance novel. The two are clearly different from one another.

The title of this thread is appropriate. It is clear the OP was trying to cater to us females by showcasing two female authors who write Historical Fiction.

By the way the books in question would be called: Women's Historical Fiction or Historical Fiction for Women that is the genre they are in.

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I agree with your last paragraph completely. As a woman I prefer to read from a woman's perspective and there is nothing wrong with the title of your thread. It is to cater to women not men. Not many males out there get the way a female minds works so they don't focus on what's important to us.
I read primarily classic British detective fiction, the majority of which is written by women (eg Agatha Christie, P.D. James, Dorothy L. Sayers, Margery Allingham, Ruth Rendell, Ngaio Marsh) and I have to say that I can find absolutely nothing in these books, when I compare them to comparable books written by male authors, to suggest that "a female mind" works any differently to a male mind. As I said in my previous post, it's the book that counts, not the gender of the author.
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I'm mostly annoyed these are just on Amazon UK. I hope people will post historical fiction that's on Amazon US and on other sites as well. For example, Sandra Worth's The Rose of York: Love and War is $2.99 and has a Whispersynch bargain price as well.

There is probably a better way to title the thread because not all male historical fiction authors write just about war and battles, and not all female historical fiction authors concentrate on relationships. I wonder how many people have avoided great writers because they were of the "wrong" gender. Ugh.

Maybe we could have a thread on historical fiction bargains and then leave it up to the user to decide whether or not they will buy the books by someone of the other gender. A historical fiction thread would be cool because a lot of people look for historical fiction -- both the romantic (but not romance) type and the "battle" type.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:26 AM   #21
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I do think that Historical fiction is at least one genre where I prefer a woman author. And yes - I notice and appreciate there is a different emphasis between male and female writers and writing especially on the subject of women in history.

@critteranne perhaps you could start the thread you refer to?

Being in Aus it's hit and miss whether any of the titles people post are available to me and the cost is another matter again. But hey, if I want the title then I country shop around.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:34 AM   #22
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I read primarily classic British detective fiction, the majority of which is written by women (eg Agatha Christie, P.D. James, Dorothy L. Sayers, Margery Allingham, Ruth Rendell, Ngaio Marsh) and I have to say that I can find absolutely nothing in these books, when I compare them to comparable books written by male authors, to suggest that "a female mind" works any differently to a male mind. As I said in my previous post, it's the book that counts, not the gender of the author.
There are exceptions. The authors you mention wrote those books for both genders. I'm not saying women can't think like men or write to both genders They can but Women's Historical Fiction is catered to women.

Most male authors I have tried do not get women at all. They do not like mushy stuff. Take Nicholas Sparks he does not get romance at all.

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There are exceptions. The authors you mention wrote those books for both genders.
Do you think that historical fiction is necessarily written for women? I've also read a fair amount of historical fiction written by women authors (eg Lindsey Davis's "Falco" series) and again they don't strike me as being particularly aimed at women. These books would certainly fit the definition of this thread: "historical fiction written by a female author".
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Do you think that historical fiction is necessarily written for women? I've also read a fair amount of historical fiction written by women authors (eg Lindsey Davis's "Falco" series) and again they don't strike me as being particularly aimed at women. These books would certainly fit the definition of this thread: "historical fiction written by a female author".
No but Women's Historical Fiction is written for a female audience. It's a genre that would be separate from general Historical Fiction.

Perhaps the OP didn't know the true genre of these books so she describe them the best she could.

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You mean stuff like Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander" series, for example? That's definitely written for a female audience.
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You mean stuff like Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander" series, for example? That's definitely written for a female audience.
Very close. Tasha Alexander or Teresa Grant or Elizabeth Chadwick are three authors who come to mind. Just look at the books the OP links to. One is called The King's Mistress and most of the covers are all girls in pretty dresses. These books target women readers not saying a guy wouldn't enjoy them but they are mostly for women.

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Well, in general I read more of the historical fictions by female authors since they are normally about some historical female characters and there's a bit of the romantic feel to it (not the cheap romance/bodice ripping style though - hence I don't call them romance).

Historical fictions by male authors normally deal with wars, battlefields or politics which are not my cup of tea. I am trying to be specific so that people who don't have much time to browse through every single thread can just click on a topic if they find it fit their taste. In general I don't browse through threads with just "historical fiction" since majority of the books will be about wars/naval/military battlefields.

By the way, could some mods please delete the thread if you find it offensive? I just try to help.

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Thanks Mimosa. I do not read historical fiction and was not aware of the distinction. The only one I've read was the Terror which was not about war or politics. You could lift the Amazon UK requirement though, as this is an international forum.
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Thanks Mimosa. I do not read historical fiction and was not aware of the distinction. The only one I've read was the Terror which was not about war or politics. You could lift the Amazon UK requirement though, as this is an international forum.

First, thank you Blossom & Lynx-lynx for your information about the genre Women's HF. I learn quite a bit from your posts.

@haydnfan: Is there an option to change the title of a thread after you created it? If there is, I appreciate your help to guide me on the matter..

LOL, when I created this thread, all I knew was these:
(i) I found some great deals on books that I loved, i.e. Women's Historical Fiction (Thanks Blossom for clarifying this, I don't know much about genres, so all of the HF about Women, and occasionally Men, from a Woman's POV that I read were from women, so well...),
(ii) I found them on Amazon UK and
(iii) why not sharing the info with other readers with similar taste?

Stupid me! What I found after posting the harmless deals are these:
(i) there must be a certain guideline to title a thread, i.e. nothing specific, why not just "ebooks" since the thread is in a Deals subforum, it must be a bargain, right? and since gender specific is somehow offensive, it should be neutral, right? and worse why titling it "ebooks", this is an ebook forum, noone should talk about deadtree books anyway...
(ii) nothing is harmless (even your intention is harmless), somehow someone will find it offensive (sigh!!!) and
(iii) I shouldn't even have my own taste (i.e. prefer WHF in Women' POV) since it is not right to other readers

By the way, where is the simple courtesy of a simple "Thanks" when someone's trying to help? Does this whole mess mean trying to do something nice will get you scolded? I rest my case and the thread too...
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