Comparison survey between PW1 and PW2 screens - Page 2

bwaldron · 10-05-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

Wow. This poll kind of proves my point when it comes to the exacting demands of Mobileread readers. I was expecting two options: My PW2 is better than my PW1 and My PW2 is worse than my PW1!

I don't think so. Demanding reader or not, it seems obvious that there are multiple dimensions to "better" or "worse." Whether the poll covers too many is of course a valid question.

booklover6 · 10-05-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

Wow. This poll kind of proves my point when it comes to the exacting demands of Mobileread readers. I was expecting two options: My PW2 is better than my PW1 and My PW2 is worse than my PW1!

I could have answered your poll LOL. The one here is way too complicated for me to bother with.

Bookworm_Girl · 10-05-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

Those should have been the only relevant questions. All the rest is perception, settings, ambient light and cosmetics.
Yes, my PW 2013 is better than my PW 2012 due to better contrast but both are great eReaders. When I use them, I only concentrate on the eBooks I am READING. I don't take 3 hours to closely examine the cosmetics.
The only key problem I would note would be MECHANICAL failures like freezes which this poll did not even address.

Actually the freeze that you experienced is very likely a software issue and not a mechanical failure. Whereas screen defects such as pinholes and light bleed are more mechanical in nature being the result of issues with the manufacturing process or the hardware assembly, component tolerances, etc. They do exist on some devices but whether or not they bother you is a matter of perception, lighting and other variables.

Nate the great · 10-05-2013, 10:42 AM

Here are a couple opinions that found an improved frontlight, a faster devices, but no real improvement to the screen.

http://www.the-digital-reader.com/20...t-years-model/
http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...#comment-35668

I am in favor of upgrading; my competitor is against.

jswinden · 10-05-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocicat

May I add...on the PW1 screen, bottom of LEFT side, I and others had a 1" vertical light bleed.

My PW2 does not have it, BUT a couple posters mentionned having one on the RIGHT side.

Great survey!

Good point. I forgot about the light bleeds on the PW1. I tried to remember all the screen issues and cover them in the survey, but I'm sure there are others I left off too.

jswinden · 10-05-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by joehunt

What is the world is this poll

Depending on vision/PW settings/environment everyone will see things differently, so as a whole, the results are quite meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

Wow. This poll kind of proves my point when it comes to the exacting demands of Mobileread readers. I was expecting two options: My PW2 is better than my PW1 and My PW2 is worse than my PW1!

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Originally Posted by sirmaru

Those should have been the only relevant questions. All the rest is perception, settings, ambient light and cosmetics.

Yes, my PW 2013 is better than my PW 2012 due to better contrast but both are great eReaders. When I use them, I only concentrate on the eBooks I am READING. I don't take 3 hours to closely examine the cosmetics.

The only key problem I would note would be MECHANICAL failures like freezes which this poll did not even address.

Well, I guess some folks just don't have analytical minds. I guess they see things only in pure black and white with no shades of grey.

ucfgrad93 · 10-05-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Well, I guess some folks just don't have analytical minds. I guess they see things only in pure black and white with no shades of grey.

27 shades of grey according to your poll.

jswinden · 10-05-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ucfgrad93

27 shades of grey according to your poll.

Yep! They wouldn't let put 50!

sparklemotion · 10-05-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Well, I guess some folks just don't have analytical minds. I guess they see things only in pure black and white with no shades of grey.

Put me in the analytic mind group. I loved the poll.

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Yep! They wouldn't let put 50!

LOL.

sirmaru · 10-05-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Well, I guess some folks just don't have analytical minds. I guess they see things only in pure black and white with no shades of grey.

Some folks are spending hours and days to find all the cosmetic irregularities on the PW 2013 even going to constructing full black and white cards to display to catch them, using flashlights and magnifying glasses, high priced cameras with very high magnification and varying the device lighting and ambient light settings.

They already have their enjoyment from the PW 2013. Their next project will be to prove the KFHDX coming on Oct 18 has scores of other cosmetic problems. They will have a great time doing the same and posting all their findings here.

Some of us just want to READ eBooks with the best eReaders on the planet where even the elderly can now read whereas before they had to stop reading at much younger ages or undergo expensive operations and buy expensive glasses.

We all have our own preferences in this regard and spend our time and money in the way we want.

Thank goodness Amazon doesn't waste their QA budget on this or the Kindles would be way overpriced as are all the iPads today.

allowingtoo · 10-05-2013, 01:08 PM

Where is the Yellow Screen question? I see "With light level high, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen" but I can't answer that. If it said "creamier/darker than my PW1" then I could. But not whiter. Of course you do give us the "Greyer/Darker" option.

Sigh. So many questions. I wish I had held onto my PW1.

JoHunt · 10-05-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Well, I guess some folks just don't have analytical minds. I guess they see things only in pure black and white with no shades of grey.

Absolutely. I like to keep it simple so in my world, you're either satisfied with your PW or you aren't (in which case you can always buy a different ereader). I just can't understand the reason to obsess over every single possible difference between PW1/PW2 and compare every single dot.

sirmaru · 10-05-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joehunt

Absolutely. I like to keep it simple so in my world, you're either satisfied with your PW or you aren't (in which case you can always buy a different ereader). I just can't understand the reason to obsess over every single possible difference between PW1/PW2 and compare every single dot.

I agree 100%. EReaders are for reading eBooks - not running breakdowns on every cosmetic irregularity. The only criticism I would ever voice would be if I could not read on it. If that happened, I would simply exchange it with Amazon and not even think about it.

Tess89 · 10-05-2013, 03:23 PM

This poll looks headache-inducing. I still have both and will only say the PW2 from my perspective is a vast improvement over my PW1. Making the decision of whether or not to purchase or upgrade really shouldn't be so arduous. We're talking about a kindle, not a car. It's not that serious.

jswinden · 10-05-2013, 06:06 PM

There are so many questions because saying I like this one better than that one makes no sense to anyone but you. It leaves us with this thought:

We really need to quantify the reasons one is better than the other. Some people are on the fence trying to decide whether to get a PW2. Each person will place an emphasis on items unique to their tastes. For one the most important emphasis might be font darkness/thickness. For another it might be whether there are pin holes or dust. For another it might be whether there color blobs. So this survey is NOT designed to say one is better than the other, but to let us see how many think a particular screen issue or characteristic is better on one than the other.

View Poll Results: Please choose all appropriate statements
My PW2 text is lighter (less black/dark/contrast) than my PW1 text	9	25.00%
My PW2 text is equal in blackness/darkness/contrast to my PW1 text	14	38.89%
My PW2 text is darker (more black/dark/contrast) than my PW1 text	10	27.78%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	20	55.56%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	4	11.11%
With light level low, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	4	11.11%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	24	66.67%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
With light level medium, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen	22	61.11%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is equal in whiteness/grey to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
With light level high, my PW2 screen is greyer/darker than my PW1 screen	3	8.33%
Over all, my PW2 screen has less light shadow effect than my PW1 screen	29	80.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has equal light shadow effect to my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more light shadow effect than my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
Over all, my PW2 screen has less color blob effect than my PW1 screen	25	69.44%
Over all, my PW2 screen has equal color blob effect to my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more color blob effect than my PW1 screen	1	2.78%
My PW1 screen has no light pin holes but my PW2 screen does	7	19.44%
My PW2 screen has no light pin holes but my PW1 screen does	3	8.33%
My PW1 and PW2 screens have no light pin holes	23	63.89%
Over all, my PW2 screen has fewer light pin holes than my PW1 screen	0	0%
Over all, my PW2 screen has the same # of light pin holes as my PW1 screen	2	5.56%
Over all, my PW2 screen has more light pin holes than my PW1 screen	7	19.44%
The fonts on my PW1 are thinner than the fonts on my PW2	4	11.11%
The fonts on my PW1 are the same thickness as the fonts on my PW2	21	58.33%
The fonts on my PW1 are thicker than the fonts on my PW2	4	11.11%
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10-05-2013, 10:42 AM	#19
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	Here are a couple opinions that found an improved frontlight, a faster devices, but no real improvement to the screen. http://www.the-digital-reader.com/20...t-years-model/ http://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/201...#comment-35668 I am in favor of upgrading; my competitor is against.

10-05-2013, 01:08 PM	#26
allowingtoo Bibliophile Posts: 159 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Amazon	Where is the Yellow Screen question? I see "With light level high, my PW2 screen is whiter/creamier/lighter than my PW1 screen" but I can't answer that. If it said "creamier/darker than my PW1" then I could. But not whiter. Of course you do give us the "Greyer/Darker" option. Sigh. So many questions. I wish I had held onto my PW1.

10-05-2013, 03:23 PM	#29
Tess89 Enthusiast Posts: 47 Karma: 498288 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle	This poll looks headache-inducing. I still have both and will only say the PW2 from my perspective is a vast improvement over my PW1. Making the decision of whether or not to purchase or upgrade really shouldn't be so arduous. We're talking about a kindle, not a car. It's not that serious.

10-05-2013, 06:06 PM	#30
jswinden Nameless Being	There are so many questions because saying I like this one better than that one makes no sense to anyone but you. It leaves us with this thought: We really need to quantify the reasons one is better than the other. Some people are on the fence trying to decide whether to get a PW2. Each person will place an emphasis on items unique to their tastes. For one the most important emphasis might be font darkness/thickness. For another it might be whether there are pin holes or dust. For another it might be whether there color blobs. So this survey is NOT designed to say one is better than the other, but to let us see how many think a particular screen issue or characteristic is better on one than the other.