Paperwhite Second Gen: First Impressions - Page 24

sirmaru · 10-02-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wlsinwi

I think I see a couple of pinholes on black pages, I notice if I switch to a normal lighted white screen then I can still see them as a black dot but very small.
I'm more bothered by shadows on the bottom similar to stage lighting. Does anybody else see that?

Call Amazon CS and get a replacement. Shadows are a real defect in the PW 2013. They were normal in dark rooms for the PW 2012.

So far as "pinholes" go, with the normal lighting of 22 out of 24 they should not be visible. If you turn the light down to zero, then all kinds of imperfections may show up.

Last year most of the color blotches were noticeable on those using low light settings.

jswinden · 10-02-2013, 06:01 PM

Thank goodness for the ignore option!

jswinden · 10-02-2013, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stickybuns

Does Amazon produce the screens themselves or is it handled by eInk? Is there much Amazon (or Kobo... or B&N... or Sony...) can do if the primary supplier of eink screens has some quality control issues?

I think the eInk with light might both be manufactured by eInk, or whatever their company is called. If so then Amazon, which is the largest customer, should really pressure them to correct the manufacturing issues. Maybe Amazon should just buy them out and take over the process themselves. Kobo is a very small player so I doubt there is much they can do except complain. On the other hand, if Amazon puts the light layer on themselves then they need to correct the issues.

stickybuns · 10-02-2013, 06:04 PM

Normal lighting? Amazon itself says to use the lower light levels when in a dimply lit room.

I don't know what the difference is between the white speck on my screen and the black dot on wlsinwi's screen, but I find that it is more visible the brighter I make the light. Not a problem for me since I prefer the light at a 12 or below.

stickybuns · 10-02-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

Thank goodness for the ignore option!

Yes, I think that is going to come in handy. How do you set it?

volwrath · 10-02-2013, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jswinden

Thank goodness for the ignore option!

Never really used it before, but its overdue.

AnemicOak · 10-02-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stickybuns

Yes, I think that is going to come in handy. How do you set it?

Click on the persons username and select "Add <username> to your Ignore List" at the bottom of the menu that drops down,

stickybuns · 10-02-2013, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jswinden

I think the eInk with light might both be manufactured by eInk, or whatever their company is called. If so then Amazon, which is the largest customer, should really pressure them to correct the manufacturing issues. Maybe Amazon should just buy them out and take over the process themselves. Kobo is a very small player so I doubt there is much they can do except complain. On the other hand, if Amazon puts the light layer on themselves then they need to correct the issues.

I thought someone had mentioned Kobo and other manufacturers having similar problems with pin holes. The common denominator would be eInk, yes?

I'm not too keen on the idea of Amazon buying out eInk. What would that do to competition? On the other hand, I would like to see eInk face a little competition... but the ereader market is pretty small, so...

volwrath · 10-02-2013, 06:12 PM

Since this is first impressions I will say this. My PW2 looks great so far. The light is slightly brighter in the top and you can see slight shadows in the bottoms where the cones are. No pinholes for me so far and Ive viewed a vast array of covers.

Overall at this stage I am pretty happy. It took three tries to get a PW1 which was passable without huge noticeable blobs, albeit not perfect. This PW2 definitely has a much superior screen in every way.

tmf2 · 10-02-2013, 06:49 PM

Well it appears again with PW 2 a lack of consistency with screen quality.
Sad.....PW 3 anyone?

Dennis

booklover6 · 10-02-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

But that doesn't work for Mobi does it? Personal cloud has yet to support KF8 of does it now. It's been awhile since I tried.

I will try it and let you know.

ETA I didn't realize that fonts could not be embedded in mobi.

xendula · 10-02-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tmf2

Well it appears again with PW 2 a lack of consistency with screen quality.
Sad.....PW 3 anyone?

Dennis

Some have gotten great screens, including Sparklemotion on her second try, who had the same problems as myself and a few others with the PW1 last year, so I am hopeful, still, that my replacement unit will be better.

I decided to try one amazon replacement, and if that one sucks, I'll get one from Bestbuy - maybe they just have better batches at the moment - maybe it's a coincidence that her BB one is perfect. We'll see.

sparklemotion · 10-02-2013, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xendula

Some have gotten great screens, including Sparklemotion on her second try, who had the same problems as myself and a few others with the PW1 last year, so I am hopeful, still, that my replacement unit will be better.

I decided to try one amazon replacement, and if that one sucks, I'll get one from Bestbuy - maybe they just have better batches at the moment - maybe it's a coincidence that her BB one is perfect. We'll see.

I think it's just a coincidence really. I think you could just as easily get a good one from Amazon. Fingers crossed for you!

simplyparticular · 10-02-2013, 07:29 PM

Got my PW2 today. I'm reasonably impressed. The light is bright, and almost uniform. No pinholes or light leaks anywhere - I have been watching it closely.

The left most LED appears a little brighter, and it's leaving a bit of a purple blotch at any light level, but it's not hugely noticeable. Especially when you compare it to an external light!

I think I can live with Palatino, although the sizing options are kind of strange. But I still loathe the Kindle interface.

Some pics, including a fun one of the PW2 and Sony T2 with lighted cover.

L-R: PW2 at 7, PW2 at 15, PW2 and T2 - note that both devices have much sharper text display than I was able to focus on in a dark room with no flash, with the PW2 just slightly sharper. And at it's lowest level, the PW2's grey background is identical to the T2's. The White in Paperwhite definitely comes from the light.

volwrath · 10-02-2013, 07:42 PM

Here is a shot of my PW2. This was at max light in a reasonably dark room taken with my galaxy s3 with no flash.

If you see a blemish let me know well minus it being sideways for some reason

10-02-2013, 07:29 PM	#359
simplyparticular Guru Posts: 610 Karma: 1395952 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Device: Oasis 3 & GlowLight 4	PW2 and T2 Got my PW2 today. I'm reasonably impressed. The light is bright, and almost uniform. No pinholes or light leaks anywhere - I have been watching it closely. The left most LED appears a little brighter, and it's leaving a bit of a purple blotch at any light level, but it's not hugely noticeable. Especially when you compare it to an external light! I think I can live with Palatino, although the sizing options are kind of strange. But I still loathe the Kindle interface. Some pics, including a fun one of the PW2 and Sony T2 with lighted cover. L-R: PW2 at 7, PW2 at 15, PW2 and T2 - note that both devices have much sharper text display than I was able to focus on in a dark room with no flash, with the PW2 just slightly sharper. And at it's lowest level, the PW2's grey background is identical to the T2's. The White in Paperwhite definitely comes from the light. Attached Thumbnails

10-02-2013, 07:42 PM	#360
volwrath Guru Posts: 713 Karma: 1001739 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Device: SGS3/PW2/Nexus72	Here is a shot of my PW2. This was at max light in a reasonably dark room taken with my galaxy s3 with no flash. If you see a blemish let me know well minus it being sideways for some reason Attached Thumbnails

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jswinden Nameless Being	Thank goodness for the ignore option!

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stickybuns Evangelist Posts: 405 Karma: 479729 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle 3, Kindle Paperwhite 2	Normal lighting? Amazon itself says to use the lower light levels when in a dimply lit room. I don't know what the difference is between the white speck on my screen and the black dot on wlsinwi's screen, but I find that it is more visible the brighter I make the light. Not a problem for me since I prefer the light at a 12 or below.

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volwrath Guru Posts: 713 Karma: 1001739 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Device: SGS3/PW2/Nexus72	Since this is first impressions I will say this. My PW2 looks great so far. The light is slightly brighter in the top and you can see slight shadows in the bottoms where the cones are. No pinholes for me so far and Ive viewed a vast array of covers. Overall at this stage I am pretty happy. It took three tries to get a PW1 which was passable without huge noticeable blobs, albeit not perfect. This PW2 definitely has a much superior screen in every way.

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tmf2 Zealot Posts: 121 Karma: 575668 Join Date: Oct 2012 Device: Kindle 4 Kindle PW	Well it appears again with PW 2 a lack of consistency with screen quality. Sad.....PW 3 anyone? Dennis