My Opinion of the DR1000 - Page 2

Greg Anos · 09-30-2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

They take an interesting approach to wireless at my office. Rather than having a WPA password that they have to distribute the wireless is fully open. However, it is outside of the firewall in the DMZ as they call it. So, if you connect to it in the office you can surf the web and such, but can't get to the internal stuff. If you want to do that you have to use the VPN. Of course, the VPN is secure end-to-end so even though the wireless is open, the traffic is encrypted.

I am aware of several places that do this. However, if you are talking about a reader I doubt it would be able to run the VPN software.

Anyway... I think the security risk with a WiFi device... assuming they are running WPA is weeker in the device it self. You steal the reader you've got access to everything on it. These things don't have security at all from what I understand. So, unless you are talking about ONLY using it as sort of a dumb terminal browser I don't think it would be the best choice for a portable browser device for say a Dr. or Lawyer's office.

BOb

I think we are talking about two different types of security here. One, the unauthorized access of sensitive data (which is what has been talked about so far). Wifi with strong encryption is quite good enough for that. The second security is unauthorized tracking data. And that is inherent to a Wifi setup. Things like spyware, or vicinity tracking. Maybe it's the Cave-man in me, but I don't choose to allow marketers to track what I'm currently reading, or people to see at what Wifi hot-spot my reader is at. I will cheerfully pay the price of loading files from my PC for this privelege.

bob_ninja · 09-30-2008, 02:17 PM

Well you do bring up an important point. At this price level ($700+) it is competing with a number of laptops which have far more functionality. For the moment we'll put the screen type and how it is easier on eyes aside.

Laptop will certainly do much more and include Wifi and other ports at no extra cost. Screen size is comparable too. In fact, for some/many people laptop makes more sense when using more interactive apps like browsing and e-mail.

However, for the most part laptops are limited to 2-3 hour run time. Sure there are bigger batteries and carrying extra batteries, etc. However when using my own laptop even for the most mundane tasks I am always worrying about the battery and how much longer do I have. I find it very limiting, especially when on the move.

Even if I had a small one that is not much bigger than a reader, can I just use it any place for hours? With the reader I no longer have to worry about battery making it much more mobile. My laptop is like having an anchor that keeps it close to an outlet and charger. Very frustrating.

So I agree that for many people a laptop will be more appropriate at the price level. However, I still think these devices have a market as well.

Nate the great · 09-30-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy

With #1, do you mean printing from a PC to the DR as a network printer, or printing from the DR to another network printer? I know they've said you can print to it but I don't know if that will work over WiFi or if it's only as a USB connected device. Printing from it would be interesting. I don't know if they'll support that, but it sounds possible with third party software.

I was referring to printing from the DR.

tompe · 09-30-2008, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Do you mean people like doctors and so on? Modern WiFi security is pretty "robust" isn't it? Not much likelyhood of your data being intercepted, I wouldn't have thought.

The security at places like conferences and hotels are pretty non existent.

Nate the great · 09-30-2008, 02:52 PM

Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that for $750 I want a complimentary device, not a subordinate one. The DR cannot be used without a PC. I want a device that can do some of the document editing functions of a PC; upload and download documents directly from the source (email, printer, NAS) and does not need the PC to accomplish this.

wallcraft · 09-30-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Printing from it would be interesting. I don't know if they'll support that, but it sounds possible with third party software.

This is possible from a Nokia N800, which seems to be an approximately equivalent device at the basic Linux level. On the N800, it seems to be relatively easy if you already have a CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) server on the network, otherwise the N800 needs to run its own CUPS server.

Printing via bluetooth might also be an option.

Shaggy · 09-30-2008, 03:46 PM

I was thinking either cups and/or samba. The iLiad is already acting as a samba client, I believe, which is how it syncs documents with a PC via wifi (and probably the DR will too). In theory it should be possible to connect to a samba shared network printer as well. You'd just need a way of sending the print job, but there are basic linux command line tools that can do that. I would assume those tools will work with shell access.

Nate the great · 09-30-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Sounds like you should have waited for the SW to be released.

I'm not getting any of them. I will not buy complicated delicate electronics from a company so lacking in customer service. This was one of the reasons I did not buy an Iliad. (Somehow I made myself forget the lack of CS when I ordered the DR1000S.)

NatCh · 09-30-2008, 10:47 PM

Did you cancel your order then, Nate? Did you already say that and I missed it?

Nate the great · 10-01-2008, 06:52 AM

I don't know that I will be able to cancel the order. That event is dependent upon Irex responding to a customer. It might never happen.

HarryT · 10-01-2008, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate the great

Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that for $750 I want a complimentary device, not a subordinate one. The DR cannot be used without a PC. I want a device that can do some of the document editing functions of a PC; upload and download documents directly from the source (email, printer, NAS) and does not need the PC to accomplish this.

Sounds like you'd be better off with a Tablet PC.

Gogolo · 10-01-2008, 08:17 AM

Nate, the posts title is "My Opinion of the DR1000". Wouldnt it have been better to write "My Opinion of the DR1000S"?

Gogolo

smp_iliad · 10-01-2008, 09:57 AM

My experience with Iliad tells me that it doesn't make sense to compare the device to laptops or tablet pc. Though iLiad and 1000sw does support wifi, the internet access is too unreliable and slow. I think 1000sw will not change that because eInk is not responsive enough for a convient browsing or emailing.

Still, iLiad and RD1000 will serve me for a single purpose: to read lots of long technical papers and books. I think that should be THE reason to buy this expensive device. Otherwise, you will be disappointed.

Shaggy · 10-01-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate the great

I was one of the first to order a DR1000S... I'm not getting any of them... Somehow I made myself forget the lack of CS when I ordered the DR1000S.

Now I'm just confused.

zerospinboson · 10-01-2008, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy

Now I'm just confused.

Nate seems to be (understandably) annoyed that iRex is ignoring his order.

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09-30-2008, 02:17 PM	#17
bob_ninja Addict Posts: 208 Karma: 582 Join Date: Aug 2006 Device: Zire71	Well you do bring up an important point. At this price level ($700+) it is competing with a number of laptops which have far more functionality. For the moment we'll put the screen type and how it is easier on eyes aside. Laptop will certainly do much more and include Wifi and other ports at no extra cost. Screen size is comparable too. In fact, for some/many people laptop makes more sense when using more interactive apps like browsing and e-mail. However, for the most part laptops are limited to 2-3 hour run time. Sure there are bigger batteries and carrying extra batteries, etc. However when using my own laptop even for the most mundane tasks I am always worrying about the battery and how much longer do I have. I find it very limiting, especially when on the move. Even if I had a small one that is not much bigger than a reader, can I just use it any place for hours? With the reader I no longer have to worry about battery making it much more mobile. My laptop is like having an anchor that keeps it close to an outlet and charger. Very frustrating. So I agree that for many people a laptop will be more appropriate at the price level. However, I still think these devices have a market as well.

09-30-2008, 02:52 PM	#20
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that for $750 I want a complimentary device, not a subordinate one. The DR cannot be used without a PC. I want a device that can do some of the document editing functions of a PC; upload and download documents directly from the source (email, printer, NAS) and does not need the PC to accomplish this.

09-30-2008, 03:46 PM	#22
Shaggy Wizard Posts: 4,293 Karma: 529619 Join Date: May 2007 Device: iRex iLiad, DR800SG	I was thinking either cups and/or samba. The iLiad is already acting as a samba client, I believe, which is how it syncs documents with a PC via wifi (and probably the DR will too). In theory it should be possible to connect to a samba shared network printer as well. You'd just need a way of sending the print job, but there are basic linux command line tools that can do that. I would assume those tools will work with shell access.

09-30-2008, 10:47 PM	#24
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Did you cancel your order then, Nate? Did you already say that and I missed it?

10-01-2008, 06:52 AM	#25
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	I don't know that I will be able to cancel the order. That event is dependent upon Irex responding to a customer. It might never happen.

10-01-2008, 08:17 AM	#27
Gogolo Addict Posts: 353 Karma: 92 Join Date: Sep 2007 Device: DR1000S, Nook ST (rooted), Kobo Aura one (ksm)	Nate, the posts title is "My Opinion of the DR1000". Wouldnt it have been better to write "My Opinion of the DR1000S"? Gogolo

10-01-2008, 09:57 AM	#28
smp_iliad Connoisseur Posts: 70 Karma: 816 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: KindleDX, iPhone3Gs	My experience with Iliad tells me that it doesn't make sense to compare the device to laptops or tablet pc. Though iLiad and 1000sw does support wifi, the internet access is too unreliable and slow. I think 1000sw will not change that because eInk is not responsive enough for a convient browsing or emailing. Still, iLiad and RD1000 will serve me for a single purpose: to read lots of long technical papers and books. I think that should be THE reason to buy this expensive device. Otherwise, you will be disappointed.