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The big deal is that when you work with an attorney or a doctor or an accountant you are trusting them with very personal information that could be used to harm you. You enter into that relationship with an expectation that they will not share any of the informtion you are giving them without your consent. Any information. Even a pen name. This seems like a minor breech for the reasons above but to JKR it was not a minor breech. It sounded like the was planning on using this pen name to try and establish herself as a credible author in a totally different field. This was obviously important enough to her that she was willing to go to the trouble of establishing the pen name and working the book through the regular process to try and get it published. If she only cared about the money, she would have published it under her name known that it would sell (as it has) and not cared. Instead she created this name and worked with her advisors to keep it quiet. Since she had started this process before the release of Deathly Hallows, I think it is safe to say that she was taking it seriously. So it was a breech of her confidence and that is very important. Had information been revealed that was innocent that came back and helped convict someone of a crime, we would be up in arms. Lawyers are suppose to keep their mouths shut and reveal nothing. There are some exceptions, I am not familiar with the list, but telling your wife a cool secret is not on that list. |
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I would love to hear what Judith Callegari has to say about all of this. Why did she spill the beans on Twitter? I'm guessing she got caught up in the thrill of knowing this secret, and that she didn't understand how big of a deal it was to reveal something like that on Twitter, but I'd be curious to hear her reasoning.
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I'm sure it was a thrill to have that bit of special knowledge, of course. But add to that, I'm sure at some level she figured that if the lawyer told her this, then it must not have been a big secret. That's part of the seriousness of what the lawyer did wrong. Whether or not tubemonkey thinks the breach was "minor" it served to undermine the foundation of trust and expectation of confidentiality that the system depends on. |
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Not all breaches warrant the same punishment. He lucked out and only got a fine. I would've suspended his license for a year in addition to the fine.
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That's the penalty that the court imposed. I don't know if the professional body that governs the British legal profession, the Law Society, will take any additional action, but it's entirely possible that they will.
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Then I agree, though, rather than characterizing it as a 'minor' thing, I would say "This is a major thing, but the circumstances and end-result in this instance warrant him getting a second chance." ApK |
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Was it really? I thought they made a deal without letting the court decide. At least the article gave that impression.
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Why not? If you have a scale you will have people taking chances that they will not get caught if they think the punishment is low enough. To me it seems obvious that the only way to get people to respect this kind of things is to have a very hard punishment and no exceptions.
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Still, the larger difference is that this lawyer just told his wife, without suspecting that she would send a tweet to a reporter; in the case in my state, the lawyer himself made the information public. I do feel bad for Rowlings, though - she must have thought that it would be nice to write some books and get some feedback without being known as author of HP. |
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authors usually do it to see how worth their writing really is without the aid a renowed name brings along...
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Perhaps you're right - I don't know the details - but the article I quoted says "the court heard that Rowling had been left feeling dismayed and distressed", so it appears as if the case did get to court.
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It's a bit worse than that. The lawyer told his wife's best friend, not just his wife. Presumably he also told his wife, but I haven't read anything to that effect. The wife can be understood, if not condoned, but to tell someone who isn't even family is just downright stupid and/or careless.
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There are not too many situations where the most visible impact of a lawyers breach of confidence on the client was that it caused the her to MAKE millions more dollars. I fully realize that the money is not the issue here, but it's funny. Last edited by ApK; 07-31-2013 at 04:13 PM. |
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I think that the lawyer has also breached trust with his firm, which could cause them to lose business. I would not be hiring them in anything requiring secrecy if he was still employed there.
And it would make it possibly bring on a bit of wisecracking, the next time he or his colleagues refused to impart confidential information. And as the extent of the harm done was not evident when the secret was disclosed, I don't think the penalty should depend on that although I know it does apply in other areas such as criminal law. It says a lot that Rowling's family or friends or publisher, who may have known the secret and may have had something to gain by disclosing it, didn't, and a lawyer who can only lose by doing so could not resist the chance to be a bigshot person in the know. Helen |
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