Are DRM infections dying out?

[taustin]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

DRM scams

The fact that you are apparently incapable of using the term "DRM" without following it with "scam," which serves no purpose whatsoever other than to be inflammatory, tells me everything I need to know about how seriously to take your posts.

[avantman42]

Originally Posted by taustin

No, it's really not. It's suggestive, as your quote says, but suggestive isn't evidence.

The first dictionary definition of evidence that I found was "Facts or observations presented in support of an assertion." That seems to fit what I quoted, so I believe it is evidence. Note that I'm not claiming it's proof, only evidence.

"Gut feeling" and "suggestive" are pretty much the same thing.

I don't agree, at least not in this case.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by taustin

The market is roughly split between EPUB and Amazon. In an event, Ken's inflammatory statement is simply incorrect.

Split, yes, but certainly not evenly. In the UK, I'd guess that Amazon have a 90%+ market share.

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by taustin

The fact that you are apparently incapable of using the term "DRM" without following it with "scam," which serves no purpose whatsoever other than to be inflammatory, tells me everything I need to know about how seriously to take your posts.

I think of it as descriptive rather than "inflammatory". As to our postings,
I could just as easily question the motives of someone who so staunchly
defends these DRM scams.

I would put these DRM scams as in the same class as the extended warranty
scam. Except that they are in a position to require their particular "DRM",
which is less about Digital Rights Management and more an attempt to
restrict the use of the books, to be only on their dedicated ereaders and not
anyone else's. They are quite happy to allow you to read these "protected"
ebooks on PCs and tablets, and provide applications to do so, but not on any
other dedicated ereading devices.

They provide the authors and publishers little or no protection of their digital
rights, and provides some support to an attempt to capture the ebook
readership, something in their interest, not the authors.

As to the booksellers/proprietary DRM creators avoiding $0.22/ebook, if the
DRM "lock" is a requirement of the publishers - wouldn't the $0.22 come out
of their cut, not an expense for the bookseller?

Luck;
Ken

[BearMountainBooks]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Split, yes, but certainly not evenly. In the UK, I'd guess that Amazon have a 90%+ market share.

Really? From what I can tell (as best I can track it) I sell about the same number of ePUBs in the UK as I do Amazon copies (I believe most of the ePUB are Sony readers. Some Kobo and I don't know what Apple readers are using.)

[GlenBarrington]

After all, it's free and if I don't want the hassle, then I shouldn't DL the darned book. I hate PAYING for the privilege of making my life harder.

[Freeshadow]

Originally Posted by GlenBarrington

After all, it's free and if I don't want the hassle, then I shouldn't DL the darned book. I hate PAYING for the privilege of making my life harder.

I don't touch them no matter if free or paid.
1st it shows support for the DRM.
2nd (in case of Adobe) it washes 22¢ for the book in their pockets, even if it's paid by the publisher.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

Except that they are in a position to require their particular "DRM", which is less about Digital Rights Management and more an attempt to restrict the use of the books, to be only on their dedicated ereaders and not anyone else's. They are quite happy to allow you to read these "protected" ebooks on PCs and tablets, and provide applications to do so, but not on any other dedicated ereading.

You've got it backwards, at least for the ePub market.
It isn't that the ebook retailers who also make eInk devices don't want their books read on other eInk devices, it is that eInk device manufacturers who are also ebook retailers don't want their devices reading other retailers' books.
That it why B&N got Adobe to include their DRM as part of the standard software package (so they could sell books to more people), but no other major manufacturer has enabled it (so that their users carry on buying from them instead).
The tie-in is from device to content, not vice-versa, because you buy the device once, and then carry on buying content for it. It is the content that is profitable.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

As to the booksellers/proprietary DRM creators avoiding $0.22/ebook, if the DRM "lock" is a requirement of the publishers - wouldn't the $0.22 come out of their cut, not an expense for the bookseller?

Why?
They require a lock, not that particular one.
It is for the retailer to meet that requirement, and one who does so more efficiently gets to keep more of their portion of the sale.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by murraypaul

Why?
They require a lock, not that particular one.
It is for the retailer to meet that requirement, and one who does so more efficiently gets to keep more of their portion of the sale.

Such as Amazon, for example. They own their own DRM system, hence don't have to pay anyone any money for it.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Such as Amazon, for example. They own their own DRM system, hence don't have to pay anyone any money for it.

But that is not the important reason. The important reason is to lock in people to the platform.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by tompe

But that is not the important reason. The important reason is to lock in people to the platform.

They don't need DRM for that. Having their own format is sufficient.

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by BearMountainBooks

I listen to my readers, and honestly, no one has ever told me DRM is a concern. I do have readers who want to buy multiple formats at once and that was conveyed when I polled before setting up a storefront.

If no one did it before, i'll tell you now : DRM is a concern.

Being linux user, DRM forces me to boot windows, download book, then boot linux again, remove DRM infection, copy to cybook (I don't want to lose all my books the day adobe decide to mess thing)
I already had to re-pay books, having made a screw up with digital edition.

It's a relief when i see the book i want to buy have no DRM. I long for the day there is no DRM anymore, and buying a book become what it always should have have bean : easy and painless.

You readers are not thief, trust them ! Don't restrict their book because they where honest enough to pay you.Remember, pirates have no such problem with activation and all this mess.

The only reason i accept buying books with DRM is the un-drm tools, so I can feel safe that the book I paid for will be mine to keep forever.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by HarryT

They don't need DRM for that. Having their own format is sufficient.

No, it is not since there will be easy to use converters between formats.

[BearMountainBooks]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

If no one did it before, i'll tell you now : DRM is a concern.

Being linux user, DRM forces me to boot windows, download book, then boot linux again, remove DRM infection, copy to cybook (I don't want to lose all my books the day adobe decide to mess thing)
I already had to re-pay books, having made a screw up with digital edition.

It's a relief when i see the book i want to buy have no DRM. I long for the day there is no DRM anymore, and buying a book become what it always should have have bean : easy and painless.

You readers are not thief, trust them ! Don't restrict their book because they where honest enough to pay you.Remember, pirates have no such problem with activation and all this mess.

The only reason i accept buying books with DRM is the un-drm tools, so I can feel safe that the book I paid for will be mine to keep forever.

To be clear: I hear that you are concerned, and I know there is a concern out there--but no one who has ever purchased books of mine has ever written and asked about DRM, asked where to buy DRM-Free versions, etc. When I have asked directly, VERY few people even know what it is. That is not to say I am unaware some readers care. My point was more that I think most readers are almost completely unaware of DRM and don't care about it.