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Old 03-20-2013, 06:49 AM   #121
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en_AU                 Australia
en_BW                Botswana
en_CA                 Canada
en_GB                 Great Britain (should be UK, hmph!)
en_HK                 Hong Kong
en_IE                   Ireland
en_IN                   India
en_MT                 Malta
en_NZ                 New zealand
en_PH                 Phillipines 
en_SG                 Singapore
en_US                 United States
en_US_POSIX      U.S. POSIX
en_VI                   Virgin Islands
en_ZA                 South Africa
en_ZW                Zimbabwe
Thanks! I don't know why that site didn't come upon my Google search the day before. The couple I found didn't give the VI locale ...

And, yes, I'm sure there is a good reason somewhere, but en_GB makes no obvious sense.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:34 AM   #122
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Thanks! I don't know why that site didn't come upon my Google search the day before. The couple I found didn't give the VI locale ...

And, yes, I'm sure there is a good reason somewhere, but en_GB makes no obvious sense.
RFC5646 is used for allocating language codes.
In http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang...ubtag-registry

The IANA subtag "GB" is defined as :
Type: region
Subtag: GB
Description: United Kingdom
Added: 2005-10-16
Comments: as of 2006-03-29 GB no longer includes the Channel Islands and
Isle of Man; see GG, JE, IM

and Ukraine is :
Type: language
Subtag: uk
Description: Ukrainian
Added: 2005-10-16
Suppress-Script: Cyrl

So I think that is probably the reason - uk means somewhere else entirely in the context of language codes, if not in the assignment of TLDs.

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Old 03-20-2013, 01:04 PM   #123
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RFC5646 is used for allocating language codes.
In http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang...ubtag-registry

The IANA subtag "GB" is defined as :
Type: region
Subtag: GB
Description: United Kingdom
Added: 2005-10-16
Comments: as of 2006-03-29 GB no longer includes the Channel Islands and
Isle of Man; see GG, JE, IM

and Ukraine is :
Type: language
Subtag: uk
Description: Ukrainian
Added: 2005-10-16
Suppress-Script: Cyrl

So I think that is probably the reason - uk means somewhere else entirely in the context of language codes, if not in the assignment of TLDs.

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I did think about the Ukraine yesterday, and then forgot I'd thought about it! Since there is an alternative to UK for these islands, the sense is there! Thanks, Bob!
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:23 AM   #124
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So I think that is probably the reason - uk means somewhere else entirely in the context of language codes, if not in the assignment of TLDs.
RFC5646 and RFC1591 both adopted ISO 3166 (Codes for representaion of Coutries) and it's derivatives, and doing this makes sense certainly in terms of language. I believe the reason the UK TLD does not follow ISO 3166 is because .uk was already adopted and registered for DNS purposes. However, because .uk is now entrenched it does make variance from this schema look "odd" especially when language/keyboard/locale selection on computers* often talks in terms of "English (United Kingdom)" etc.

Whilst a technicality, my first thought was what setting do residents of Northern Ireland choose to adopt?


*less of an issue for standards compliant Linux users.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:11 PM   #125
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RFC5646 and RFC1591 both adopted ISO 3166 (Codes for representaion of Coutries) and it's derivatives, and doing this makes sense certainly in terms of language. I believe the reason the UK TLD does not follow ISO 3166 is because .uk was already adopted and registered for DNS purposes. However, because .uk is now entrenched it does make variance from this schema look "odd" especially when language/keyboard/locale selection on computers* often talks in terms of "English (United Kingdom)" etc.

Whilst a technicality, my first thought was what setting do residents of Northern Ireland choose to adopt?


*less of an issue for standards compliant Linux users.
I really don't mind - it isn't so much that it looks odd, but it is inconsistent with most other uses. Most drop-down location list have "United Kingdom" but, every now and again, "Great Britain" is used, just to confuse!

Maybe in a few years time I'll have to use "Scotland" as the locale ...
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Maybe in a few years time I'll have to use "Scotland" as the locale ...
I'm waiting for Wales to separate out as a locale...
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:44 PM   #127
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I think the Welsh are waiting to see how the Scottish experiment fares!
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...it isn't so much that it looks odd, but it is inconsistent with most other uses
Actually the point is, it is entirely consistent (compliant) with the official standard even though I take your point (and largely agree) that it doesn't fit with expectations.
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My God, are there enough pixels to fit the locale on the screen?
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Actually the point is, it is entirely consistent (compliant) with the official standard even though I take your point (and largely agree) that it doesn't fit with expectations.
Yes - I wasn't arguing with you. It is a bit like computer office packages* - there is the official standard, and there is what the user sees most often. The two do not always marry up to the point that the end-user thinks the standard is what is seen most often.

* I am referring to Microsoft and the Open Office standards, of course.
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Gosh no-one actually argues on here, do they? I've only seen statements made with varying degrees of fervour
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Gosh no-one actually argues on here, do they? I've only seen statements made with varying degrees of fervour
Really, I was agreeing with you - the drop-down menus of locations, though coming from a different starting point, are the problem. I've thought back, and until computers became ubiquitous, I don't think the term "UK/United Kingdom" was really used. Our nationality is British, the government is British etc. So, where did this UK nonsense come from? Don't bother answering - this is sufficiently off-topic (again!) - let's keep it a rhetorical question!
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So, where did this UK nonsense come from? Don't bother answering - this is sufficiently off-topic (again!) - let's keep it a rhetorical question!
Well the thread topic pertained to locales, which is what we were discussing!
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