What font are you using on your PW? - Page 43

slantybard · 02-18-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

Hmm even I didn't notice it has more weight! I've been thinking about this....why on earth would they want the default fonts to show up lighter than it's actually weight? It makes no sense!

The K4 has the same problem. Possibly the K3 too...

Sorry Blossom, the first image with the heavier weight is the built-in font and the lighter weight is the built-in font renamed. I should have labelled the screenshots better for you.

The way the fonts are handled is annoying coming from the Sony 650 where you can manage the fonts easier and more transparently.

Blossom · 02-18-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What line spacing issue does Charis SIL suffer from? With ADE, I like the tight spacing. It works very well. Also, when I modified the other metrics, it works well on a Kindle.

Default Charis SIL line spacing is horrible. I don't know why the people who made the font hasn't fixed it? Gentium does not have this problem.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Blossom, I need some help. I need to know if increasing Typo Line Gap and Line Gap in a font's metrics makes a difference on a Kindle in both KF8 and Mobi. My larger Charis SIL doesn't work in ADE without increasing the gaps. But I need to know if the line space is affected in KF8 & Mobi on a Kindle. Thanks.

Typo Line Gap in a KF8 does affect line spacing.
In a Mobi Book Typo Line Gap does nothing.
Line Gap doesn't seem to do anything in KF8 or Mobi.

I did discover something else while testing.
Fonts with numbers in their name wont work on a KF8 it must be all letters. It works fine on a mobi book but not a KF8.

Blossom · 02-18-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slantybard

Sorry Blossom, the first image with the heavier weight is the built-in font and the lighter weight is the built-in font renamed. I should have labelled the screenshots better for you.

The way the fonts are handled is annoying coming from the Sony 650 where you can manage the fonts easier and more transparently.

I see it now. When I saw unmodified I though you meant the default version. It's easy enough to mod the font to your liking but the line spacing is a issue. They will never match each other.

slantybard · 02-19-2013, 12:19 AM

Okay, I have played around with the Caecilia font that I extracted from the KPW. As noted already, the KPW itself modifies the Caecilia font using some behind the scenes style sheet giving it more weight and and increased line gap.

I have added weight to the font to increase its readability at smaller sizes and where the frontlight is used at higher levels.

I am not using Font Creator since there is no version for the Mac, but have Fontographer and added 60 em to the fonts. I tried playing around with separately modifying the vertical and horizontal weights, but ended up with results that were unsightly and very hard to fix properly for the KPW.

For technical details:
-the extracted Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 7.21
-modified Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 5.78
-extracted bold Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 6.21
-modified Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 5.1

I have also modified some of the glyphs individually after weighting to improve readability at smaller sizes. For example, the "r" often touched the edges of other glyphs like "n", which could be confused with "m"

I actually like the smaller line gap that resulted from the extracted Caecilia fonts so I did not have to change that at all.

It was interesting with the line gap changes, that the heavier weighted Caecilia at size 3 shows just as many words as the built-in Caecilia at size 2.

Legend for attached photos:
Built-in Caecilia font that comes with PW at size 2 = Caecilia_Size2.png
Extracted Caecilia font that is NOT altered in any way at size 2 = CaeciliaExtracted_Size2.png
Modified Caecilia font at size 2 = CaeciliaMod_Size2.png
Modified Caecilia font at size 3 = CaeciliaMod_Size3.png

slantybard · 02-19-2013, 12:51 AM

Does anyone know if font kerning is properly displayed on the KPW in AWZ3 formatted books? I tried searching for this answer, but did not find one and I don't want to spend time fixing up the kerning of my modified fonts if it is not supported.

Blossom · 02-19-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by slantybard

Does anyone know if font kerning is properly displayed on the KPW in AWZ3 formatted books? I tried searching for this answer, but did not find one and I don't want to spend time fixing up the kerning of my modified fonts if it is not supported.

I'm going to say yes because every time Amazon's updates the default fonts they add more kern pairs.

DuckieTigger · 02-19-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

That's way beyond my level of competence. I'll just stick with what I've got. oh, well. I'd rather have the fonts list limited to fonts I'll actually use, but I guess I have to have the whole USE_ALT_FONTS list showing to get my custom fonts to be available.

Not really. If you don't mind installing KUAL, then I can write 2 buttons for it: one button to (partially) hide the extra fonts, and the other to restore to default. There will be no need to mess with usbnetwork.

If that sounds easy enough, then I will go start working on that. Going to take a bit of work, as hiding all fonts is not the best solution for everybody. I myself have all extra fonts hidden except MT Chinese Surrogate - that one is quite nice as a builtin non-fancy san-serif font with bigger weight.

Blossom · 02-19-2013, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Not really. If you don't mind installing KUAL, then I can write 2 buttons for it: one button to (partially) hide the extra fonts, and the other to restore to default. There will be no need to mess with usbnetwork.

If that sounds easy enough, then I will go start working on that. Going to take a bit of work, as hiding all fonts is not the best solution for everybody. I myself have all extra fonts hidden except MT Chinese Surrogate - that one is quite nice as a builtin non-fancy san-serif font with bigger weight.

Now you are really tempting me to jailbreak!

slantybard · 02-19-2013, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

I'm going to say yes because every time Amazon's updates the default fonts they add more kern pairs.

I have kerned my Caecilia modified font and it does not change how the test is displayed in an AZW3 formatted book (with no publisher fonts - I ran it through calibre).

Below are two screenshots. The first is with no kerning set and the second is with manual kerning. In particular, I changed the "wr" and "ri" to have a kern value of 100 to see if it changed the word "wrinkled".

I have restarted my KPW so many times today playing with the modified Caecilia font.....

Blossom · 02-19-2013, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slantybard

I have kerned my Caecilia modified font and it does not change how the test is displayed in an AZW3 formatted book (with no publisher fonts - I ran it through calibre).

Below are two screenshots. The first is with no kerning set and the second is with manual kerning. In particular, I changed the "wr" and "ri" to have a kern value of 100 to see if it changed the word "wrinkled".

I have restarted my KPW so many times today playing with the modified Caecilia font.....

Okay well that's good to know.

Perhaps it doesn't work on a custom fonts.

I have lost count how many times I've restarted my PW since I got it.

JSWolf · 02-19-2013, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

Default Charis SIL line spacing is horrible. I don't know why the people who made the font hasn't fixed it? Gentium does not have this problem.

Typo Line Gap in a KF8 does affect line spacing.
In a Mobi Book Typo Line Gap does nothing.
Line Gap doesn't seem to do anything in KF8 or Mobi.

I did discover something else while testing.
Fonts with numbers in their name wont work on a KF8 it must be all letters. It works fine on a mobi book but not a KF8.

Because I've had to modify Typo Line Gap and Line Gap for ADE, I'll need to adjust the other values so the Charis SIL Larger versions will work both with the Kindle and ADE.

xendula · 02-19-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

Now you are really tempting me to jailbreak!

Me, too!!!
@Duckietiger, can you make just ONE button that does the jailbreaking and the font removal? Sigh... Just dreaming.....

twowheels · 02-19-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slantybard

I have kerned my Caecilia modified font and it does not change how the test is displayed in an AZW3 formatted book (with no publisher fonts - I ran it through calibre).

Below are two screenshots. The first is with no kerning set and the second is with manual kerning. In particular, I changed the "wr" and "ri" to have a kern value of 100 to see if it changed the word "wrinkled".

I have restarted my KPW so many times today playing with the modified Caecilia font.....

I should learn to read... I kept going back and forth looking for a difference, and couldn't spot one. So I finally downloaded the images and ran them through a diff program and found them to be IDENTICAL other than the location text. Then I re-read the text. :-)

DuckieTigger · 02-19-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xendula

Me, too!!!
@Duckietiger, can you make just ONE button that does the jailbreaking and the font removal? Sigh... Just dreaming.....

No, unfortunately not. The button requires to be already jailbroke. When I went through the config files yesterday, I found a loophole to possibly bypass the requirement of jailbreak. First quick test was unfortunately not successful, will keep digging deeper on that angle.

xendula · 02-19-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

No, unfortunately not. The button requires to be already jailbroke. When I went through the config files yesterday, I found a loophole to possibly bypass the requirement of jailbreak. First quick test was unfortunately not successful, will keep digging deeper on that angle.

OMG, you'd totally be 'da man if you managed to figure out a way to give us complete font freedom minus jailbreak!!!!!

02-19-2013, 12:19 AM	#634
slantybard my parent's oops... Posts: 493 Karma: 1477572 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Vx->Handera->Clie-> Axim->505->650->KPW/Aura ->L2->iOS/CBW	Okay, I have played around with the Caecilia font that I extracted from the KPW. As noted already, the KPW itself modifies the Caecilia font using some behind the scenes style sheet giving it more weight and and increased line gap. I have added weight to the font to increase its readability at smaller sizes and where the frontlight is used at higher levels. I am not using Font Creator since there is no version for the Mac, but have Fontographer and added 60 em to the fonts. I tried playing around with separately modifying the vertical and horizontal weights, but ended up with results that were unsightly and very hard to fix properly for the KPW. For technical details: -the extracted Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 7.21 -modified Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 5.78 -extracted bold Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 6.21 -modified Caecilia has a WeightRatio = 5.1 I have also modified some of the glyphs individually after weighting to improve readability at smaller sizes. For example, the "r" often touched the edges of other glyphs like "n", which could be confused with "m" I actually like the smaller line gap that resulted from the extracted Caecilia fonts so I did not have to change that at all. It was interesting with the line gap changes, that the heavier weighted Caecilia at size 3 shows just as many words as the built-in Caecilia at size 2. Legend for attached photos: Built-in Caecilia font that comes with PW at size 2 = Caecilia_Size2.png Extracted Caecilia font that is NOT altered in any way at size 2 = CaeciliaExtracted_Size2.png Modified Caecilia font at size 2 = CaeciliaMod_Size2.png Modified Caecilia font at size 3 = CaeciliaMod_Size3.png Attached Thumbnails Last edited by slantybard; 02-19-2013 at 12:23 AM.

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02-19-2013, 12:51 AM	#635
slantybard my parent's oops... Posts: 493 Karma: 1477572 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Vx->Handera->Clie-> Axim->505->650->KPW/Aura ->L2->iOS/CBW	Does anyone know if font kerning is properly displayed on the KPW in AWZ3 formatted books? I tried searching for this answer, but did not find one and I don't want to spend time fixing up the kerning of my modified fonts if it is not supported.

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