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11-27-2012, 08:29 PM   #31
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 Originally Posted by murraypaul The Mini has exactly the same resolution as the iPad and iPad 2, at 1024x768. It has a higher pixel density than the iPad and iPad 2.
Depending on who you ask to define "resolution". The number of pixels in width and height are meaningless IMO. What truly counts is how many pixels per inch of diagonal.

 11-27-2012, 09:34 PM #32 DaleDe Grand Sorcerer     Posts: 10,521 Karma: 9826952 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2 Funny, how often do you read on the diagonal? Actually in a proper system the vertical and horizontal are the same number and thus the diagonal would be the same as well using the rule of congruent triangles. Dale
 11-28-2012, 02:40 AM #33 Joy736 Addict     Posts: 311 Karma: 1078442 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Netherlands Device: Kindle Paperwhite I'm currently reading "For the love of Physics" by Walter Lewin, witch has illustrations and link to youtube and such. The Mini is perfect for this book. I'm really enjoying this. And I don't care how much better the screen could have been. Al I know is that the Mini is worth it to me as it is now. I'm enjoying it as it is.
11-28-2012, 06:24 AM   #34
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 Originally Posted by jswinden Depending on who you ask to define "resolution". The number of pixels in width and height are meaningless IMO. What truly counts is how many pixels per inch of diagonal.
I think if you stop and think about that for a bit, you'll realise it is a bit silly.
A 40" 1980x1080 TV is pretty crappy then, having only about 55 ppi?
While my BlackBerry, at 480x360 @ 244 ppi, would be better for reading magazines on than the iPad Mini at 1024x768 @ 162 ppi?

An original iPad held further away will give exactly the same visual image as an iPad Mini held closer. (I can't be bothered to work out the exact difference in distance required.)

11-28-2012, 10:39 AM   #35
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 A 40" 1980x1080 TV is pretty crappy then, having only about 55 ppi?

As people don't sit within 1 foot over their HDTVs, that is a thoroughly ridiculous statement. Heck, at around 5 feet a 1980x1080 tv can arguable be considered retina on a 40" display. It's all about size and viewing distance.

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11-28-2012, 11:28 AM   #36
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 Originally Posted by murraypaul I think if you stop and think about that for a bit, you'll realise it is a bit silly. A 40" 1980x1080 TV is pretty crappy then, having only about 55 ppi? While my BlackBerry, at 480x360 @ 244 ppi, would be better for reading magazines on than the iPad Mini at 1024x768 @ 162 ppi? The iPad Mini has the same resolution as the original iPad. An original iPad held further away will give exactly the same visual image as an iPad Mini held closer. (I can't be bothered to work out the exact difference in distance required.)
Here's the data from another thread, the difference is 4", but I'm not sure how accurate the numbers are:
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 Originally Posted by jswinden For h = 1/132" (132 ppi), distance required = 22.7" (iPad1 and 2) For h = 1/162" (162 ppi), distance required = 18.5" (iPad Mini) For h = 1/170" (170 ppi), distance required = 17.6" (original Fire) For h = 1/216" (216 ppi), distance required = 13.9" (Fire HD, Nexus 7) For h = 1/268" (268 ppi), distance required = 11.2" (iPad3) For h = 1/326" (326 ppi), distance required = 9.2" (iPhone5) So in theory the above listed devices would have to be held at least as far from the eye as the listed distance before the average human retina would no longer see any individual pixels. Your eyes, of course, will vary.

Here's an article about HDTV and retina screens. The data there is slightly different, but the same idea:
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 The iPhone 4 with 326 PPI is a Retina Display when viewed from 10.5 inches or more The new iPad 3 with 264 PPI is a Retina Display when viewed from 13.0 inches or more The MacBook Pro with 220 PPI is a Retina Display when viewed from 15.6 inches or more

Since I hold my reading material more than 20" away from my eyes (I was curious so I got out a tape measure) anything with 160+ ppi is retina for me. Heck, my 130 ppi laptop is retina too, since the screen is more than 2 feet from my eyes. 326 ppi sounds impressive, but it only matters if you want to squint at your phone a few inches from your nose.

The presumption that seeing a pixel is the end of the world is silly anyway. Compared to reading the fuzzy print in an old paperback even a low resolution screen is clearly better.

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11-28-2012, 02:18 PM   #37
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 Originally Posted by Tess89 As people don't sit within 1 foot over their HDTVs, that is a thoroughly ridiculous statement. Heck, at around 5 feet a 1980x1080 tv can arguable be considered retina on a 40" display. It's all about size and viewing distance.
That was exactly my point. It was a reductio ad absurdum.
The iPad Mini is the same resolution as the iPad, and would look the same, if held slightly closer.

11-28-2012, 02:22 PM   #38
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 Originally Posted by Synamon Since I hold my reading material more than 20" away from my eyes (I was curious so I got out a tape measure) anything with 160+ ppi is retina for me. Heck, my 130 ppi laptop is retina too, since the screen is more than 2 feet from my eyes. 326 ppi sounds impressive, but it only matters if you want to squint at your phone a few inches from your nose.
Interesting. I had to get a measuring tape out as well, and when I'm reading comics and magazines, I hold the iPad roughly 12-14 inches away from my face.
I certainly saw a huge difference going from the iPad (1) to new iPad (3), which fits with the table you gave.

11-29-2012, 12:12 AM   #39
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 Originally Posted by Joy736 I caved and bought the Mini. I just love my new Mini as an ereader. It's easy enough to hold with one hand. And I'm curious to see who else uses the Mini as an ereader.
You smart man. Best eReader I have ever had. And I have most of them. I love my mini for reading. Absolutely Fantastic.

11-29-2012, 12:14 AM   #40
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 Originally Posted by murraypaul Interesting. I had to get a measuring tape out as well, and when I'm reading comics and magazines, I hold the iPad roughly 12-14 inches away from my face. I certainly saw a huge difference going from the iPad (1) to new iPad (3), which fits with the table you gave.
Crazy.

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 11-29-2012, 12:19 AM #41 MrDoug Banned     Posts: 302 Karma: 1658456 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Boise, Idaho Device: IPad - Kobo Glo - Nook Glo - Samsung Galaxy Note II Sorry. Duplicate post.
 11-29-2012, 12:24 AM #42 barutanseijin Nxfgrrjks     Posts: 99 Karma: 925422 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: New York, NY Device: aura hd Lot's of pdf bashing here. PDFs have some nice features. First, it's an open standard ( ISO 32000-1:2008) with free readers & generators on a variety of platforms. That's huge. Second, pdfs are predictable and consistent from device to device. A word processor or html doc will look different from machine to machine. Unfortunately, that consistency means if the pdf is somehow suboptimal for a particular device, it's harder to get optimal output. For the most part, pdfs are formatted for printing on standard paper sizes. There's no reason they have to be formatted that way. One can just as easily generate Apple Ipad mini-sized pdfs. For example, i've been reading a Japanese pdfs formatted for the Sony Reader. These look pretty nice. (PDF is also the only way to get vertical Japanese text on my reader.)
 11-29-2012, 07:22 AM #43 ryanlawrence171 Junior Member   Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2012 Device: ryanlawrence171 iPad mini is a wonderful device if it is used as an e-reader. You can download as much books as you can from various apps like Kindle and Newstand.
11-29-2012, 01:28 PM   #44
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 Originally Posted by barutanseijin Lot's of pdf bashing here. PDFs have some nice features. First, it's an open standard ( ISO 32000-1:2008) with free readers & generators on a variety of platforms. That's huge. Second, pdfs are predictable and consistent from device to device. A word processor or html doc will look different from machine to machine. Unfortunately, that consistency means if the pdf is somehow suboptimal for a particular device, it's harder to get optimal output. For the most part, pdfs are formatted for printing on standard paper sizes. There's no reason they have to be formatted that way. One can just as easily generate Apple Ipad mini-sized pdfs. For example, i've been reading a Japanese pdfs formatted for the Sony Reader. These look pretty nice. (PDF is also the only way to get vertical Japanese text on my reader.)
And therein lies the problem, most PDFs are formatted for A4 or Letter, and being non-reflowable format, PDFs don't display well on 6" (and though OK, not great on 10" either), and hence make for a poor reading experience. The "bashing" you refer too is not for the format per-se, but how it renders on small screen readers.

11-29-2012, 03:50 PM   #45
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 Originally Posted by afv011 And therein lies the problem, most PDFs are formatted for A4 or Letter, and being non-reflowable format, PDFs don't display well on 6" (and though OK, not great on 10" either), and hence make for a poor reading experience. The "bashing" you refer too is not for the format per-se, but how it renders on small screen readers.