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10-31-2012, 10:57 AM | #167 | |
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Many other websites also lamented that many digital retailers (Amazon, Apple, and plenty of others) are not selling digital goods, but rather license them. It's a distinction many Arstechnica readers may already understand, but it's less apparent outside the ranks of the tech-savvy. (After all, those purchase buttons usually say BUY, not BUY A LICENSE.) Exactly! |
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10-31-2012, 11:16 AM | #168 |
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This is a problem with all forms of digital distribution, particularly video games sold via Steam and Origin. Online vendors have used the baits of price, convenience, and ease-of-use to entice customers, while discreetly rewriting their rights to own what they've bought in EULAs.
This is the first time I've heard of Amazon getting flak for locking a customer out of his or her account, but it regularly happens with Valve and EA customers. Unfortunately, there have been no social media blowups to make them relent. Last edited by holymadness; 10-31-2012 at 11:21 AM. |
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11-01-2012, 07:40 PM | #170 | |
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You are merely getting a license when you 'buy' a paperback, too. Make no mistake. Read the copyright page. Some of the things you can't do with 'your' book are spelled out there, others are spelled out in copyright law. You are buying the paper and glue, but you only get a limited set of rights to the content. In many cases: An ebook can be instantly replaced as needed (say, if you forget it when you go on a trip), for free. Can the paperback? The ebook can exist for you in several places at once, for your convenience, at no extra charge. Can a paperback? You can carry hundreds or thousands of ebooks in your pocket, so you can have almost unlimited choice at any free reading moment. How many paperbacks can you carry? You can buy almost any new ebook almost anywhere you happen to be, and have it to read instantly. Can you do that with a paperback? You can change the font on an ebook to suit your needs with the push of a button. None of these things represent value to you above the value you get for the with a paperback? If not, why are you reading ebooks? Just keep buying paperbacks, and ebook prices be darned! ApK |
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11-01-2012, 08:52 PM | #171 |
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Those are advantages supplied by the reader. An expensive device that you paid for separately from any ebook and that will need periodic replacement to prevent losing access to all your ebooks. It has nothing to do with the ebooks you put on it. The publishers didn't give me portability, ect Amazon did that part.
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11-01-2012, 09:13 PM | #172 | |
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You might as well claim your reading lamp (or your eyes) is the source of value from the paperback. We pay a price for a particular version of a book--paperback, hardback, audiobook, ebook, what have you-- because we want the features that version offers. We should consider the value of those feature, not merely compare the price to a different version. Simple as that. Last edited by ApK; 11-01-2012 at 09:27 PM. |
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Elfwreck, your repitition of the term "copyright law" suggests you may have misread my post. I only referred to copyright law in the context of defining your rights with a p-book. I didn't suggest in any way that the benefits I listed for ebooks came from copyright law, only that they exist and should be factored into what we think is a fair price.
And you also may have missed my use of the phrase "in many cases" which I put in just to avoid needless posts of the exeption cases...didn't work, eh? Last edited by ApK; 11-01-2012 at 10:33 PM. Reason: typos! no more posting from a little touch screen. this is why I hate texting! |
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And several of the features you mentioned aren't features of "ebooks" but features of some hardware/software combinations used to access ebooks. (Paper books can be used as kindling! As insulation! But these aren't considered "features" of paper books, reasons why they are the price they are.) Quote:
And yes, it's sometimes relevant. However, I'm annoyed that, while many ebook stores hype "read on multiple devices!!!", none of them mention "not a sale like a pbook! Only a license! With terms we won't actually give you at time of sale!" in clear, direct language. So I'm prone to ignoring the hype-parts, because I don't think of them as "bonus features" as much as "what we're using to distract you from what you're NOT getting." |
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The important battle is to fight EVERY attempt by publishers/vendors to use the "<Content> as a service" phrase. If this term gains acceptance, consumers will lose all rights over purchases going forward.
If you sell me a license to read a book, bundled with a physical equivalent that I can read with said license, then I did not buy into a service. I don't even have a problem with these vendors stating that there is one price for the sale, and another add-on to allow future re-downloading. The problem I have is that these companies ACT as if they are SELLING products online, just like a bookstore, yet they expect a vastly asymmetrical power balance that favors them to be in place. Of course these publishers are fighting for perpetual rights to "change the deal", because it is in their economic self interest. As consumers, we must fight them on these and related points at every opportunity. |
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I think ApK has a point, why always focus on the negative aspect of eBooks, there are lots of positive sides to them, otherwise we wouldn't have made the switch. But I still can't accept it when their price is higher than for the printed version, and yes, I do think a fair price is around 70% of a paperback.
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I offer as evidence the huge continued success of Amazon's Kindle and the ebook market in general. Anecdotally, I have heard people raise their eyebrows and say "Oh really?" when they realize they can't resell or give away ebooks. I have never heard one of them then say "Oh, then I will stop wasting my money on them and go back to paperbacks!" But, really, you and I arguing in a general thread is distracting. I agree with you on most end points, just not on matters of degree or rationale. We should start a 'subtle distinction' thread. Last edited by ApK; 11-02-2012 at 08:50 AM. |
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pBooks and eBooks are different things. Why would you expect them to be exactly the same in those respects? Can you sell or give away a fireworks exhibit after watching it?
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