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[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

It was innovative for amp3 player.

No it was not. It was just a selection device where a selection device was necessary. It was also very low cost and easy to implement in the ASIC.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by afv011

Please remove your apple-tinted glasses, and stop posting false stuff.

They did not sell crusader, for reasons unrelated to form factor.

Apple showed the way there too!

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

No it was not.

Yes it was.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by MovieBird

Bottom line, if you like Apple products and iOS, then use 'em. There's room enough for all comers.

another convert.

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

more shift.

Thank you Obiwan Kenobi

[Graham]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

It was innovative for amp3 player.

Just done some searches and I'm not sure it was. The Rio from 1998 came up immediately and certainly appears to have a jog dial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_PMP300

Graham

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

They have the largest corporate cash horde in history, and they do absolutely nothing with it to create truly innovative technology. The cash horde just keeps going and growing, with what is in comparison a rather feeble R&D effort.

Doesn't the fact that "the cash horde just keeps growing and growing" illustrate that their business strategy is a highly successful one?

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

Yes it was.

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

It was innovative for amp3 player.

As I am sure you're aware, you can't actually have a debate with people like this. Everything was invented before Apple, everything was better before Apple, nothing Apple did was ever worth a damn.

Of course, that leads them to explain a few awkward fact about history, like why the iPod and the iPhone and the iPad became wild successes, selling hundreds of millions of units, having the highest user satisfaction ratings among all competing products, and so forth.

This is where the Apple Is A Marketing Company meme comes from. The Reality Distortion Field. The basic idea is that Dave is a genius who uses his massive intellect to choose a rival's product based on reason and critical thinking whereas 500 million people are just blind idiots, "worshipping Cupertino" as he put it, susceptible to pretty pictures and buzzwords. Not a single one of them is capable of intelligent, rational thought. There could not be a single virtue to the product or the ecosystem that makes them worthy of purchase. It's just a massive brainwashing conspiracy.

That is what you have to argue against. And really... why bother? Stick to people like Graham.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Graham

Just done some searches and I'm not sure it was. The Rio from 1998 came up immediately and certainly appears to have a jog dial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_PMP300

Graham

I cant tell from description if that device spins or not.

Says: ' a circular pad with control buttons. It had controls for skipping tracks forwards or backwards, repeat, random play and for four preset equalizer settings. The LCD displayed the track number being played, but did not display artist or title information.'

[foghat]

Originally Posted by MovieBird

You mean MP3 players did not exist before the iPod? What about all the Creative products? The Nomad II even had a wheel similar to what the iPod ended up with. I can't find a ship date for it, but there's an Epionions review for it several months before the iPod debuted. Also, the manual is copyright 1999. But if you mean the actual capacitive touch of the wheel, well, Apple didn't invent that. Synaptics did.

We are talking about Innovation, not invention. Two very different ideas. Lol at the nomad wheel. Sure they are both round and you can pause/play with them. The click wheel's innovation came in the way you could glide your finger around it to navigate your music.

Originally Posted by MovieBird

As far as iTunes, it's very nicely integrated. However, you could purchase digital music before iTunes, just not all in one place. If you wanted a single source for music, Napster or Kazaa were always available.

Again invent vs. innovate.

Originally Posted by MovieBird

The iPhone was not the first phone to have touch, or even apps. They were the first to tie into a proprietary sales channel so nicely, however. To wit, the Nokia 60 series had downloadable apps. Hell, Nokia even had the iTunes idea back in 2004, but management didn't buy off link. Symbian was also amazingly iOS like, before iOS.

At best, Apple put a much needed level of polish on top of other people's great ideas.

invent <> innovate. Having an idea is a great start, but if you don't do anything with it, you can't be considered innovative.

Again I cannot believe people are trying to say the original iphone was not innovative, but that now android phone manufacturers are being innovative.

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Doesn't the fact that "the cash horde just keeps growing and growing" illustrate that their business strategy is a highly successful one?

Are you trying to twist other people's words too???

I never said it was not!!!!!!! I said it was not a technologically innovative one. It is not a business model that I respect like I did back when Steve Wozniak was innovating some clever technology into Apple's products.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

thats not validation

[afv011]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

They did not sell crusader, for reasons unrelated to form factor.

Apple showed the way there too!

And how is that relevant? Does the fact that they didn't sell that well mean they never existed and hence the iPad was the very first tablet ever created?

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

I said it was not a technologically innovative one.

Only Apples first generation usually ever is.