Live Blogs - Apple Press Event 12 Sep 12

[Graham]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

No....

So why creative not sell? Even if true, mp3 player more than UI.

iPods looked cooler; sounded worse. Apple's brilliant at marketing, and most people don't buy with their ears. And the combination of iTunes and iPod, the beginning of that brilliant ecosystem, was the clincher.

I'm a musician, and my mp3 players were both Creative Zens, but I can see why most people went for iPods.

Graham

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by foghat

The original ipod (and all its iterations) wasn't innovative?

Of course not it was their version of an MP3 and video player.

Originally Posted by foghat

Or how about the itunes store - which pretty much single handedly redefined how music (and later movies/tv shows) could be distributed/sold.

In case I was not clear, it was technological innovation that I was referring to. Marketing innovation is not something that I am much of an expert on, so I leave that for others.

Originally Posted by foghat

How about the original iphone and the original iOS -

The orginal iPhone was yet another candy bar phone with a big screen added. It was inevitable, and they lucked out on the timing by a whole lot. IOS is a derivative of the open source Unix Darwin system, so they improved it, apparently quite a lot, but they did not innovate it.

Originally Posted by foghat

of which without, smart phones (as we know them today) and andriod would quite possibly not even exist today. And almost certainly would not exist with the look and feel we know today.

No, they might have been a lot better, but the evolution was inevitable. It was helped along by Apple but it was an evolution that would have happened anyway. I remember wishing for some of the things that eventually came to pass way back in the mid 90s. I was not an innovator then either.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Graham

And similarly iTunes built on the ground prepared by Soundjam, Audion and Napster. Better, yes, and a huge success, but it didn't appear suddenly from nowhere.

Graham

No one said that. But in a world of square tires, the guy that chips off the rough edges to maake things work better really has innovated.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by foghat

Right. Not sure what point you are trying to make. Innovate <> Invent.

So are you saying that Apple shouldn't be suing Samsung for building on their ideas?

Graham

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Graham

Apple's brilliant at marketing

So is Disney. But if the movie is no good, the crowds die out after the first weekend.

Something kept the crowds going back to Apple again and again in the following weekends.


What was that?

[Graham]

Originally Posted by holymadness

"Me too."

Oh pleaaaaaase don't post that thoroughly debunked image yet again. We've been round this loop in too many threads!

Graham

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

It was inevitable

whats the next inevitable thing coming up so I can cash in before everyone else gets there?

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by holymadness

People who think modern touchscreen smartphones would exist in their present form without the iPhone are deluded. Same goes for tablets and the iPad.

Unfortunately delusion seems to be contagious.

You are right about "present form" but smartphones and tablets would have existed and evolved with or without Apple, and there is no way to know now if that evolution might have been better without Apple's influence.

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by Graham

iPods looked cooler; sounded worse. Apple's brilliant at marketing, and most people don't buy with their ears. And the combination of iTunes and iPod, the beginning of that brilliant ecosystem, was the clincher.

I'm a musician, and my mp3 players were both Creative Zens, but I can see why most people went for iPods.

Graham

I had a Creative Zen, too, back in the day. I'm not a musician so I have no particular audiophile credentials, but I do recall that it played 128kbps mp3s same as any other music player and that its PC software was horribly slow and buggy. It was also button controlled, which was far less efficient than the iPod's scroll wheel, the element that really led to its massive success.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

So is Disney. But if the movie is no good, the crowds die out after the first weekend.

Something kept the crowds going back to Apple again and again in the following weekends.


What was that?

I said that in the rest of my post; the bit that you didn't trim out.

Graham

[holymadness]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

Unfortunately delusion seems to be contagious.

You are right about "present form" but smartphones and tablets would have existed and evolved with or without Apple, and there is no way to know now if that evolution might have been better without Apple's influence.

What a coincidence. Tablets and smartphones have existed forever but somehow, no one saw fit to release any until Apple took the lead. Oh wait, they did:


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I don't know about you, but that stuff in the "before" group sure looks like what I see most people using today. Amirite?

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

There's gotta be a better way... LOL

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

whats the next inevitable thing coming up so I can cash in before everyone else gets there?

Energy

[foghat]

Originally Posted by Graham

So are you saying that Apple shouldn't be suing Samsung for building on their ideas?

Graham

Honestly, I don't have much of an opinion in the lawsuit. I have absolutely no problem with android phones.

But I will say, innovate <> blatantly copy either. Which I believe is the gist of what samsung was found guilty of doing.

In terms of the Itunes store, Apple did what no one else was doing in terms of making legally purchased music available and putting a well thought out interface around it. Similar to the original napster only in you can search for music you like and dowload it.

I honestly can't believe we have people talking about how android based phones have been innovative over the past year or 2, but then have people claiming the iphone itself was not innovative when it first launched. Come on.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

Energy

I think some sort of NFC system will be the next big thing, but not everyone agrees:

https://twitter.com/treestman/status/246092364345651200


Thats it for the cellphone. It's probably as good as it can be. Home video is next.