|  09-03-2012, 07:37 AM | #1 | ||||
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				From ePUBSecrets: The state of ePub standards support
			 
			
			While discussing myths about ePub, ePUBSecrets presents a pretty concise update on how thoroughly the major vendors support ePub specs and how much cross-vendor compatibility exists today: http://epubsecrets.com/reviewing-epu...p#comment-3288 Quote: 
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 1- ePub is far from being a universally-compatible format for commercial ebooks even in the non-Kindle market. 2- The lack of teeth behind the IDPF approach to "standards" is coming back to haunt everybody. 3- For the forseeable future, talk of "ePub" at the consumer level will mean ePub 2.0.1 not ePub3. I'm not ready to say that long-term the market for commercial ebooks will come down to just Amazon and Apple but that outcome is not out of the question. Especially if Apple prices the mythical iPad Mini low enough and locks out other reader apps from its appstore. Comments? Alternate data sources? Last edited by fjtorres; 09-03-2012 at 07:43 AM. | ||||
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|  09-03-2012, 07:47 AM | #2 | 
| What Title ?            Posts: 1,325 Karma: 1856232 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bavaria Germany Device: Sony Experia Z Ultra | 
			
			After reading all that, I am glad that I gave up on the EPUB non-standard and archived all my books in FB2 format.  If EPUB ever does become a real standard then it should be easy to convert to it then.
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|  09-03-2012, 08:28 AM | #3 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,227 Karma: 12029046 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Device: Kindle, Kobo Touch, Nook SimpleTouch | 
			
			EPUB is based on HTML and CSS, and there have never been any problems with the implementations of that. That's sarcasm, by the way. | 
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|  09-03-2012, 08:50 AM | #4 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 Never, ever. And embrace-and-extend isn't a standard business practice in the tech industries. That is why tech standards *never* come with strong licensing enforcement. (Hey, sarcasm is a fun way to kill time on mondays!)  All things considered, by the time the dust settles in the next decade, we may end up with SGML as the true universal standard.   | |
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|  09-03-2012, 11:35 AM | #5 | 
| Groupie            Posts: 197 Karma: 1086780 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Kobo H2O Ed. 2, Glo HD, Glo, Touch, Clara HD | 
			
			Given that Epub including Epub3 is just a subset of the web standards every modern browser supports, shouldn't it be absolutely trivial for Amazon/BN/Kobo/Sony to simply port Webkit or Mozilla to their devices, with some tweaks, as the rendering engine, a la Apple's solution with iBooks? Writing an Ebook engine from the ground up seems like re-inventing the wheel.
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|  09-03-2012, 11:46 AM | #6 | 
| monkey on the fringe            Posts: 45,851 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show | 
			
			My ePub problem was solved when I settled on Kindle.
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|  09-03-2012, 12:03 PM | #7 | |
| Autism Spectrum Disorder            Posts: 1,212 Karma: 6244877 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Coastal Texas Device: Android Phone | Quote: 
 I may end up going with tubemonkey and doing my next book for the Kindle first, before Smashwords and BookieJar. That means I'll have to get one, though. /sweatdrop | |
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|  09-03-2012, 12:50 PM | #8 | |
| Resident Curmudgeon            Posts: 80,727 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3 | Quote: 
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|  09-03-2012, 01:37 PM | #9 | 
| Autism Spectrum Disorder            Posts: 1,212 Karma: 6244877 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Coastal Texas Device: Android Phone | |
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|  09-03-2012, 03:34 PM | #10 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 There is simply too much room for interpretation of the specs that results in *visibly* discordant formatting in different engines/apps. That is why they talk of having to do different versions for all four of the retailers (and probably a fifth for generic Adobe clients if you expand their analysis outside NorthAm). More, some of the epub features in epub3 (the primary subject of the forking explosion) are *very* CPU/GPU/DRAM intensive. There is stuff in epub3 that*Apple* is ignoring in their ibook fork that would eat alive current top-of-the-line iPads. Last edited by fjtorres; 09-03-2012 at 03:37 PM. | |
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|  09-03-2012, 05:58 PM | #11 | |
| Autism Spectrum Disorder            Posts: 1,212 Karma: 6244877 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Coastal Texas Device: Android Phone | Quote: 
 Then again, it would be fairly par for the course. People like new stuff that pushes existing hardware to the breaking point, just because they can. Remember when Quake 4 won the Best Slideshow Game award? | |
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|  09-03-2012, 07:14 PM | #12 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 It is also possible that epub3 has been so future-proofed and over-spec'ed by trying to meet every conceivablepublisher requirements that it has overshot the needs of the current marketplace. I've noticed a tendency over the past few iterations to try to turn epub into reflowable pdf, by asking it to support sophisticated fixed formatting as well as sophisticated smart reflow. And then they added interactivity, "spyware"-enabling programability, multimedia, etc. That is a lot to ask of what is, as pointed out, a web-based spec built off HTML, CSS, and javascript. ePub3 is not the first document standard that floundered for trying to be all things to all people--hence my sarcastic quip about SGML above. The reason MS DOC and TeX, first, and later HTML/XML, became the defacto industry standards that SGML aspired to be is because SGML overtaxed 80's-90's desktop PCs with its attempt to map all types of documents, from spreadsheets to scientific reports. Most business chose to go with much cheaper PCs and mainstream Office productivity apps instead of the expensive UNIX Workstations and desktop-publishing software needed to work with SGML. So far, ebook vendors are (apparently) choosing to implement strategic subsets of epub3 functionality that their hardware devices can support and that meet their needs as commercial ebook vendors. Thus, Apple's ibook format supports the features they need for textbooks and Amazon supports the features *they* need for childrens' books and graphic novels. That is exactly what happened to SGML; subsets of the full over-reach Spec were carved out for separate markets and HTML flourished in the web space. Eventually XML emerged out of market needs. It may be that the committee needs to retrench and spec out an ePub 2.5 that can run on the existing installed base or readers and tablets. Or maybe the ebook vendors are just greedy blood-suckers out to destroy a perfectly viable universal standard out of evil self-interest.   | |
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|  09-04-2012, 12:29 AM | #13 | 
| K. C. Lee            Posts: 584 Karma: 3652522 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New Zealand Device: Android phone | |
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|  09-04-2012, 07:17 AM | #14 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 Or maybe I just know a good historian?  It's been known to happen. Or... Maybe the industry is just "doomed to repeat the errors of the past". That dream of "one format to rule them all"--emphasis on rule--just doesn't go away. | |
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|  09-04-2012, 07:26 AM | #15 | 
| Autism Spectrum Disorder            Posts: 1,212 Karma: 6244877 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Coastal Texas Device: Android Phone | 
			
			Just this once I'm going to reverse my usual stance, and say that the standard wasn't viable to begin with. The vendors are simply trying to get something usable out of it.
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