Will you upgrade if new kindle only adds front light? - Page 2

booklover6 · 08-14-2012, 10:07 PM

There is a lengthy discussion of the issue here.

It affected my 2 Kindle Keyboards. After they replaced one and the problem continued, I opened a new account and registered one of the Kindles to it. Since then, no more problems. Although this has solved the problem for me, it is not entirely satisfactory, and as a result, I am reluctant to buy any more e-ink Kindles. I use one account mainly for personal docs and news. My main account, I hardly even use that Kindle, though my Fire is on it, too. But it's for freebies, the occasional purchase, and the Lending Library book of the month. I will probably sell that e-ink Kindle eventually.

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Originally Posted by tomsem

Curious: what do you find deficient with archive handling? Kindle Touch does have some improvements there (ability to set filter by content type, better search). I'd like to see 'sort by most recent' (like the apps tend to have), but otherwise it seems okay to me.

JSWolf · 08-14-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jgaiser

These polls are all meaningless. Sometimes interesting, but still meaningless.

And the KF line-height bug is a problem with a *single* device. My Fire works just fine.

And, unless there is a *huge* improvement, I'll not upgrade. I have 3 Kindles and a DX backup that work just fine for me.

Well, then, even more meaningless in a sea of meaningless.

Actually, the line-height bug is a problem with the Kindle 4 and the Kindle Touch as both have the same buggy coding in the firmware.

If it was me, I'd upgrade if the screen was HD.

tubemonkey · 08-14-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Actually, the line-height bug is a problem with the Kindle 4 and the Kindle Touch as both have the same buggy coding in the firmware.

This kind of stuff is irrelevant to me. If a book is difficult to read because of formatting issues, I'll just find a different title that isn't plagued by these problems. If I never read the book in question, it's no big deal. There's more than enough other stuff to read out there.

There is no such thing as a must read book for me.

jocampo · 08-14-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

Will you upgrade if the next kindle only adds a front light and the screen remains the same? No improved contrast or resolution. No unbreakable screen.

(I personally will not. I still use a k3)

If there is landscape mode ...YES ... :-)

JSWolf · 08-14-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

This kind of stuff is irrelevant to me. If a book is difficult to read because of formatting issues, I'll just find a different title that isn't plagued by these problems. If I never read the book in question, it's no big deal. There's more than enough other stuff to read out there.

There is no such thing as a must read book for me.

The problem isn't the formatting. It's that the line-height is wider then normal and the line-height CSS command is ignored. It's the firmware.

If you only have a KF8 supported Kindle, when you download any eBooks from Amazon and there is a KF8 version, you get it even if you don't want it.

qlob · 08-14-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

That will never ever happen. eink cannot have a backlit screen. The light would not shine through.

Gahhhhh I meant front lit sorry.

tubemonkey · 08-14-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem isn't the formatting. It's that the line-height is wider then normal and the line-height CSS command is ignored. It's the firmware.

Whatever it's called; I just don't care.

AnemicOak · 08-14-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem isn't the formatting. It's that the line-height is wider then normal and the line-height CSS command is ignored. It's the firmware.

I ran into this the other day and was easily able to get around it by adjusting the line height in the devices view setting. Maybe not idea as I had to adjust things back when reading a regular Mobi book, but not the end of the world either.

haydnfan · 08-15-2012, 07:25 AM

@AnemicOak: devices view setting? Where is that? Or did you do that in Calibre? If you mean the font setting it can't eliminate the extra spacing.

Anyway I'm on the same boat with JSWolf, I want higher resolution to upgrade. A better touch would also do me though. Having none of those I won't.

As an aside, I thought that IR touch << capacitive touch, but I've recently learned that is not true. Where I teach, now we have starboards that use IR and they are very responsive. That leads me to think that the poor touch on the ereaders is a fault of their implementation of IR touch and not a fault of the tech itself. That also means that even if they switch to capacitive touch it could still suck.

DiapDealer · 08-15-2012, 07:41 AM

They've failed, so far, to convince me to upgrade from my K2 US-only model. And I already have plenty of existing lighting that's easily directed toward its screen. Maybe if they come up with an improvement that actually enhances reading-retention. But until such time ... nothing short of a broken Kindle will convince me to upgrade.

jswinden · 08-15-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Would you upgrade if they fixed the KF8 line-height bug and added the front light?

No. The line height issue, as you have mentioned in a few posts here, is strictly a firmware issue. As such it should be fixed on the K4 and K5. I would be suspect of a K7 or K8 also having this issue until proven otherwise. Amazon does a lot of great things and has the best overall system as far as book selection, store, device syncing, and reading devices. One thing they don't do well is listen to us and then correct their mistakes.

I'm not sure what new features or functionality would entice me to buy a new Kindle. I can think of none, but perhaps Amazon is more imaginative than I. I'm still not convinced the lit screen is a good idea. The Nooks I've seen on video reviews looked awfully glaring and I suspect have less contrast, either of which is bad. I could go look at one of the Nook Glows, but why bother as I will NEVER buy another B&N reader. B&N, just like Sony, have lackluster overall eBook systems. I won't waste any more money on either of them, especially Sony since it thumbs its corporate nose at the American eReader market. I love their TVs though!

JSWolf · 08-15-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Maybe if they come up with an improvement that actually enhances reading-retention.

That's called reading a more enjoyable book.

AnemicOak · 08-15-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by haydnfan

@AnemicOak: devices view setting? Where is that? Or did you do that in Calibre? If you mean the font setting it can't eliminate the extra spacing.

In the Aa (view) setting there is an option to adjust line spacing [I'm using a Touch].

Of course I can't say it works in every case, just the one I ran into. I'd still like to see them fix the issue, but in a real life situation I found it a slight annoyance, not a deal killer type problem.

PG4003 · 08-15-2012, 08:24 PM

I guess I'll be the only person to say this, but I'll order one the minute they put it up for ordering. I'm older and the light is very appealing to me. And besides that, I'm just a sucker for anything Kindle. I already have a K3, a Touch, and a Fire. These devices are just something I love

Polyphemus · 08-15-2012, 08:37 PM

I'll probably do the same as I did when the K5 (Kindle Touch) was available for pre-order. I'll pre-order one and then cancel the pre-order a few days later as I talk myself out of it because my KK is still suitable for my reading purposes. A few days after I cancel, I'll pre-order another one and the cycle will continue.

Amazon shipped the K5 a week earlier than the website indicated, so I returned the K5 with its box unopened.

View Poll Results: Will you upgrade just for the front light?
No, I want improvement to the screen	57	47.11%
Yes, a front light will do it for me.	36	29.75%
Yes, but only with other h/w improvements (e.g. less weight, better touch)	28	23.14%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

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08-15-2012, 07:25 AM	#24
haydnfan Guru Posts: 650 Karma: 5632364 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: Kindle PW 4, Oasis 2	@AnemicOak: devices view setting? Where is that? Or did you do that in Calibre? If you mean the font setting it can't eliminate the extra spacing. Anyway I'm on the same boat with JSWolf, I want higher resolution to upgrade. A better touch would also do me though. Having none of those I won't. As an aside, I thought that IR touch << capacitive touch, but I've recently learned that is not true. Where I teach, now we have starboards that use IR and they are very responsive. That leads me to think that the poor touch on the ereaders is a fault of their implementation of IR touch and not a fault of the tech itself. That also means that even if they switch to capacitive touch it could still suck.

08-15-2012, 07:41 AM	#25
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,570 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	They've failed, so far, to convince me to upgrade from my K2 US-only model. And I already have plenty of existing lighting that's easily directed toward its screen. Maybe if they come up with an improvement that actually enhances reading-retention. But until such time ... nothing short of a broken Kindle will convince me to upgrade.

08-15-2012, 08:24 PM	#29
PG4003 Addict Posts: 381 Karma: 987250 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kentucky Device: Kindle PW I & II, Kindle Voyage, Fire HD 7", Fire HD 8.9"	I guess I'll be the only person to say this, but I'll order one the minute they put it up for ordering. I'm older and the light is very appealing to me. And besides that, I'm just a sucker for anything Kindle. I already have a K3, a Touch, and a Fire. These devices are just something I love

08-15-2012, 08:37 PM	#30
Polyphemus I am not The Stig Posts: 131 Karma: 1881506 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southern California Device: KK-3g; PRS-350; Galaxy Tab 7.0+; Galaxy Tab 3 10.1	I'll probably do the same as I did when the K5 (Kindle Touch) was available for pre-order. I'll pre-order one and then cancel the pre-order a few days later as I talk myself out of it because my KK is still suitable for my reading purposes. A few days after I cancel, I'll pre-order another one and the cycle will continue. Amazon shipped the K5 a week earlier than the website indicated, so I returned the K5 with its box unopened.