Keeping stuff together

MrB · 07-31-2012, 07:07 PM

When I registered I warned you I'm a total beginner and I'd be needing some very basic help, so here's Question 1:

How do I make sure that the source of a quote remains attached to the quote? e.g. If I wanted to set out something like this:

"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous."

P.G. Wodehouse

At the moment, depending on whether or not I maximise the page, the source sometimes appears on its own on the following page.

Many thanks.

Hitch · 07-31-2012, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrB

When I registered I warned you I'm a total beginner and I'd be needing some very basic help, so here's Question 1:

How do I make sure that the source of a quote remains attached to the quote? e.g. If I wanted to set out something like this:

"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous."

P.G. Wodehouse

At the moment, depending on whether or not I maximise the page, the source sometimes appears on its own on the following page.

Many thanks.

On what device or reader? You'd have to work pretty hard, if that were the only text on a "page" (screen), to make it large enough to break. However, you can try putting the text inside a div, and/or using a keep-together, BUT, be warned, many devices won't honor a keep-together in CSS.

HTH,
Hitch

cybmole · 08-01-2012, 02:08 AM

in Css you can have properties like
page-break-before: avoid
page-break-after: avoid

MrB · 08-01-2012, 07:41 AM

Thank you both for your suggestions. Perhaps I should have made it clear that I have half a dozen of these quotes on the same page.

Hitch, I don't have a device. At the moment I'm simply using Sigil to convert to e-pub and looking at it on Adobe Digital Editions which I've downloaded to this laptop.

Time to get to grips with CSS methinks!

Thanks again.

mrmikel · 08-01-2012, 08:23 AM

If you really MUST make sure they stay together make a graphic image of it.

Jellby · 08-01-2012, 09:37 AM

If you have something like:

Code:

<blockquote>
<p>"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous."</p>
<div class="attribution">P.G. Wodehouse</div>
</blockquote>

just add "page-break-before: avoid;" the the div.attribution style. (I'm afraid some readers will not always honour it, though.)

If you don't, maybe you should.

Hitch · 08-01-2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

If you have something like:

Code:

<blockquote>
<p>"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous."</p>
<div class="attribution">P.G. Wodehouse</div>
</blockquote>

just add "page-break-before: avoid;" the the div.attribution style. (I'm afraid some readers will not always honour it, though.)

If you don't, maybe you should.

Jellby's right (his CSS-fu is mighty, BTW--you could do FAR worse than to crack open some of his ePUBs and emulate him, if you are learning); the problem is, many devices do NOT honor keep-togethers or avoids. And yes, if you're going to be making books more than once, you should a) wrangle with CSS--I originally learned from W3schools, cracking open ePUBs that my then-betters had made (and I still do), and trial-and-error, with a LOT of emphasis on the "error" part, and b) try to find a device.

I won't get into a device recommendation here--that would be like a declaration of war, trust me, and it's irrelevant to Sigil--but having a device is VERY helpful. (You can find used Nooks, etc., cheaply on Craigslist, methinks.) I'm always surprised by new stuff on devices (like the time with very, very unhappy surprise hyphenation issues on Nooks.)

HTH,
Hitch

theducks · 08-01-2012, 10:14 PM

Theducks learned his CSS the same way as Hitch.

Find books you like the look of and steal (borrow heavily

) the CSS ideas, trowing in your own twists.
Ducks learned about reverse engineering while on the bench.

cybmole · 08-02-2012, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

just add "page-break-before: avoid;" the the div.attribution style. (I'm afraid some readers will not always honour it, though.)

If you don't, maybe you should.

My Sony reader honours it, so any device which uses ADE to render should do so also.

PS I've used it in <p... styles also, does not have to be in a <div.
& I learnt it my inspecting CSS in other books then googling.

MrB · 08-06-2012, 02:53 PM

Thank you all very much for sharing your wisdom.

Time for some action, not words (or rather, time for action on words!)

Thanks again.

exaltedwombat · 09-03-2012, 09:33 AM

It's quite ridiculous that every wp or dtp program doesn't have a function "Export as EPUB" that actually creates code that works on any device!

But, while readers continue to be quirky, I can continue to make a few pennies from knowing the tricks of eBook conversion! :-)

Hitch · 09-03-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exaltedwombat

It's quite ridiculous that every wp or dtp program doesn't have a function "Export as EPUB" that actually creates code that works on any device!

But, while readers continue to be quirky, I can continue to make a few pennies from knowing the tricks of eBook conversion! :-)

It's only ridiculous if someone believes that there is such a thing as "code that works on any device." ;-)

Don't I WISH! However, anyone who is competent in Word's styles can use Jutoh to produce perfectly serviceable basic ePUBs and MOBIs for their own eBook production (like DIY authors, etc.).

Hitch

Oldpilot · 09-05-2012, 10:25 AM

Occam's Razor:

"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous." (P.G. Wodehouse)

07-31-2012, 07:07 PM	#1
MrB Very Slow Learner Posts: 51 Karma: 788 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Device: none	Keeping stuff together When I registered I warned you I'm a total beginner and I'd be needing some very basic help, so here's Question 1: How do I make sure that the source of a quote remains attached to the quote? e.g. If I wanted to set out something like this: "Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous." P.G. Wodehouse At the moment, depending on whether or not I maximise the page, the source sometimes appears on its own on the following page. Many thanks.

08-01-2012, 09:37 AM	#6
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	If you have something like: Code: <blockquote> <p>"Red hair, sir, in my opinion, is dangerous."</p> <div class="attribution">P.G. Wodehouse</div> </blockquote> just add "page-break-before: avoid;" the the div.attribution style. (I'm afraid some readers will not always honour it, though.) If you don't, maybe you should.

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