|  06-28-2012, 09:40 AM | #1 | 
| Fledgling Demagogue            Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7. | 
				
				Vonnegut's Letter to the Man Who Burned V's Book
			 
			
			I'd assumed this had to have been posted here before, but since it hasn't, here is Kurt Vonnegut's letter to Charles McCarthy, head of the school board of Drake High School, North Dakota.   But first, a bit of backstory. November 9, 1973: After high school English teacher, Bruce Severy, decided to have his students read Slaughterhouse Five, McCarthy caught wind and ordered that all thirty-two copies from the class be burned in the school furnace to remove the stench of Vonnegut's "obscene language." Other books followed: Sixty copies of Deliverance, by James Dickey, and the anthology, Short Story Masterpieces, which included fiction by Ernest Hemingway and John Steinbeck. Despite McCarthy's originally receiving the "only [non-author's] copy" of the letter, it was eventually published in Vonnegut's collection, Palm Sunday, in 1981. Forty years after the event, Slaughterhouse Five is still challenged routinely in American public high schools. Mobile Read members have read about this as recently as a few months ago (in the News section of this forum), when the book was removed once again from high school libraries at an intolerant activist's request. Letter deleted due to copyright issues; I'll add an excerpt if people care. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-29-2012 at 03:42 PM. | 
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|  06-28-2012, 09:42 AM | #2 | 
| eBook Enthusiast            Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6 | 
			
			Did Mr McCarthy reply to the letter?
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|  06-28-2012, 09:48 AM | #3 | 
| Philosopher            Posts: 2,034 Karma: 18736532 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch | 
			
			I favor "waving the bloody shirt" when it comes to book burners, negative publicity is a major deterrent to book burners.
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|  06-28-2012, 09:54 AM | #4 | |
| Fledgling Demagogue            Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7. | 
			
			I've never read McCarthy's reply, if indeed he chose to validate Vonnegut's point with interaction, but here's a quote from the man who taught the book in the first place: Quote: 
 -- Bruce Severy (in response to McCarthy's decision  to burn copies of Slaughterhouse Five) Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-28-2012 at 09:58 AM. | |
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|  06-28-2012, 09:57 AM | #5 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,882 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | 
			
			Palm Sunday offers incredible insight into the mind, musings and life of Kurt Vonnegut. Regardless of the fact that he gives himself a "C" for it (within its own pages).  What a thoughtful human he was. Last edited by DiapDealer; 06-28-2012 at 10:03 AM. Reason: typo | 
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|  06-28-2012, 10:00 AM | #6 | |
| monkey on the fringe            Posts: 45,853 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show | Quote: 
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|  06-28-2012, 10:01 AM | #7 | 
| Aging Positronic Brain            Posts: 633 Karma: 2155452 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Aurora (when off-Earth) Device: Amazon Oasis; iPhone, iPad Mini | 
			
			I'm trying to remember when I first read Slaughterhouse Five.  It was probably a year or two before this incident.  I remember it making a big impression on me at the time.  I went on to read everything Vonnegut I could get my hands on for several years.  I've never been for book burning or censorship.  Advice on what to read is OK, though. I was brought up by parents who gave me freedom in my reading choices. But they also gave advice. Seemed like a good mix. | 
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|  06-28-2012, 10:03 AM | #8 | 
| Fledgling Demagogue            Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7. | 
			
			I've always suspected there was a direct lineage of satirical truth from Vonnegut to the Mark Twain of Letters from the Earth.
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|  06-28-2012, 10:09 AM | #9 | 
| monkey on the fringe            Posts: 45,853 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show | 
			
			I view book burning as a positive. It means the book has struck a nerve and you now have an open channel for dialog.
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|  06-28-2012, 10:23 AM | #10 | 
| Omnivorous            Posts: 3,283 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1 | 
			
			Seriously? People who burn books are not open to dialog. They've already made their minds up and certainly are not willing to listen to other opinions.
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|  06-28-2012, 10:26 AM | #11 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,806 Karma: 13399999 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kobo Glo HD, Kobo Clara HD, Kindle 4 | 
			
			That's only if the book-burner is willing to engage in dialogue.  I find that when people say or do indefensible things, you can try to explain why it's wrong, and a lot of times they'll argue that it's not wrong, and repeat the behavior later. As the meme goes, you can't reason someone out of a position in which they didn't reason themselves into.
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|  06-28-2012, 10:41 AM | #12 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,882 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | 
			
			In this day and age of mass production and digitization, I'm sure "book burning" might not hold quite the significance (especially to a younger generation) that it would in a different context: say like an extremely limited printing of an obscure author who might have been destined to become an icon, had not two of the five books in circulation been burned 50 years prior. (NOTE: I don't mean to disparage the youth of today in any way; I only mean to point out that the age of near-instantaneous access to any text you can think of is quite young.) I also have no doubt that occasionally, a book burning could have side-effects that run counter to the intent of the burners. But a positive thing? That's a stretch by any imagination. Book burnings are always destructive (literally and figuratively) by their very nature. | 
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|  06-28-2012, 10:41 AM | #13 | |
| Philosopher            Posts: 2,034 Karma: 18736532 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch | Quote: 
 Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. -- Heinrich Heine | |
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|  06-28-2012, 10:41 AM | #14 | ||
| Fledgling Demagogue            Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7. | Quote: 
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 Helms was particularly interested in going after my friend, Doug Rice, then professor at Kent State, for his novel, Blood of Mugwump. At one point, C-Span played a video of Helms calling him "this degenerate" every few hours. Doug and I shared the same publisher, had both written "transgressive" books, and the publisher was terrified of the attention. Doug is a committed person and refused to back down, but he never benefited from the controversy, nor did Helms' pressure and tirades "open the door to discussion." Instead, Doug's teaching position was jeopardized and he eventually had to leave Kent. He now teaches at Cal State, but no aspect of his book's being targeted ever did him any good. The best thing you could say is that it might have strengthened his resolve. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-28-2012 at 10:45 AM. | ||
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|  06-28-2012, 10:43 AM | #15 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,951 Karma: 3000001 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle 3 wifi, Kindle Fire | 
			
			what's annoying is that lots of people who seek to ban certain books don't even bother to read the thing. i bet they just breezed through the summary >____>
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