Iliad screen is messed up - Page 5

orcinus · 07-07-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

According to the specs, vizplex is slightly faster, but the iLiad screen has a slightly better contrast.

That's exactly what my observations have shown.
See here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26108.

However, there are a few caveats... Firstly, iLiad refreshes the screen in a different way (different waveform) so it can't be directly compared to vizplex. They both finish at approx. the same time, however, iLiad's Eye-Print waveforms do an additional slight "blink" at the end that makes its refresh cycle last a bit longer. That "blink" is usually not perceived in real use.

Secondly, while iLiad's whites are brighter in the best case scenario (light falling dead on the screen), Sony Reader's Vizplex screen is slightly brighter in the worst case scenario (light coming from the side).

carandol · 07-07-2008, 01:15 PM

I know some people have complained (and I have this problem too) that the iLiad ink fades considerably in direct sunlight. Is this true of all iLiads (or do I have a faulty one?), and if so, do visplex screens do it too?

axel77 · 07-07-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soilwork

However, if iRex implemented it, it is a mystery why they are silent about it. Advertising about using Vizplex will do at least no harm or possibly good.

If it didn't do much difference on the screen I can very well understand they didn't advertise it.

Say they make an announcement, iLiads with a S/N bigger than X do have vizplex, those before don"t. Now how many people just having bought an iLiad yesterday would scream up, sending their unit back. Now some store still has some iLiads on stock, now customers say, oh my god you sold me a non vizplex version you evil ... I want a vizplex now! Through that one and the rest on stock away!...

You know how people are. Make a funny acronym, and they all go crazy about it.

Shaggy · 07-08-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by axel77

You know how people are. Make a funny acronym, and they all go crazy about it.

We need to start a grassroots marketing campaign saying that the iLiad uses new "googaplex" technology, which is twice as good as vizplex!

olis · 07-08-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by axel77

You know how people are. Make a funny acronym, and they all go crazy about it.

Not at all, vizplex is not just a "funny acronym" , it's a really better technology in comparison with a first gen display. People "all go crazy about it " because there's a noticeable difference in readability between the screen of a prs-500 and that of a 505 or kindle.

Shaggy · 07-08-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by olis

Not at all, vizplex is not just a "funny acronym" , it's a really better technology in comparison with a first gen display. People "all go crazy about it " because there's a noticeable difference in readability between the screen of a prs-500 and that of a 505 or kindle.

The iLiad screen is not a first gen display, and there's little noticeable difference between it and vizplex. In most areas the iLiad display has better technical specs than vizplex.

Yet, people who don't know any better are "going crazy about it" on an iLiad because ... what? The only reason I can think of is because they remember the funny name.

axel77 seems to have made a good point.

Shaggy · 07-08-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by axel77

If it didn't do much difference on the screen I can very well understand they didn't advertise it.

Of course, that brings up the question of if it doesn't make much difference on the screen and they're not going to advertise it, then why would they increase their manufacturing costs by including it? There doesn't seem to be any reason to add it to the device. I can't imagine that including vizplex on the iLiads would reduce their costs somehow.

axel77 · 07-08-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Of course, that brings up the question of if it doesn't make much difference on the screen and they're not going to advertise it, then why would they increase their manufacturing costs by including it? There doesn't seem to be any reason to add it to the device. I can't imagine that including vizplex on the iLiads would reduce their costs somehow.

They don't build the eInk screen they buy it. I imagine they had to switch, because at some point they are only delivered vizplex screens from the eInk manufacturer, because they globally changed the production process.

Shaggy · 07-08-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by axel77

They don't build the eInk screen they buy it. I imagine they had to switch, because at some point they are only delivered vizplex screens from the eInk manufacturer, because they globally changed the production process.

Remember though that iRex is not buying standard PVI eInk screens. The eInk display being manufactured by PVI for the iLiad is a custom screen that was designed by iRex, so it wouldn't fall under a global change to the production process. It's already a one-off product.

I guess it's possible that PVI went back to iRex and said that all the eInk layers they manufacture are going to be based on vizplex in the future, including the custom ones that iRex was buying from them, because it's cheaper to manufacture a single design at that point in the process. Then again, PVI isn't making an 8.1 inch eInk screen for anyone else, so I don't know how much the manufacturing of other device screens impacts on what they manufacture for the iLiad.

I think at this point though, all anyone is doing is speculating. Without hearing it directly from iRex or PVI, we'll probably never know. I do agree with you that it's amusing how some people are trying to make a really big deal out of this, when whether or not they are including vizplex makes very little difference. If they started including it, and nobody noticed, then why do people care?

olis · 07-08-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

If they started including it, and nobody noticed, then why do people care?

People may care just for pure curiosity or for sake of knowledge itself. If your pc has a 3 Gigahertz processor wouldn't you know whether it is, for example, a pentium III or an Amd turion, even if there is no noticeable difference in the overall speed of the machine?

axel77 · 07-09-2008, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by olis

People may care just for pure curiosity or for sake of knowledge itself. If your pc has a 3 Gigahertz processor wouldn't you know whether it is, for example, a pentium III or an Amd turion, even if there is no noticeable difference in the overall speed of the machine?

The PC is another perfect example on how to throw some number at people and they go crazy for. Its the Mhz of the CPU, people always want the fastest clocking available, hardly caring for any other features, caches, memory speed, effective registers, etc. all they are crazy for is some high number for the CPU clock... even if the CPU actually ignores every 3rd tick

HarryT · 07-09-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by olis

People may care just for pure curiosity or for sake of knowledge itself. If your pc has a 3 Gigahertz processor wouldn't you know whether it is, for example, a pentium III or an Amd turion, even if there is no noticeable difference in the overall speed of the machine?

Nope - wouldn't have a clue. Why would I care?

DonRobodroid · 07-09-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nope - wouldn't have a clue. Why would I care?

Mh. Maybe because the people who were following the "Ignorance is Strength" paradigm were not so terribly happy after all...

Cheers,
- Don [:-], who wouldn't want to miss taking part of all those entertaining flame wars and fanboy battles over different hardware beliefs...

HarryT · 07-09-2008, 01:52 PM

I neither know nor care how my car works - all I know is which hole to put the petrol in

. A car is just a tool - I don't want to have to understand how it works in order to use it. I really don't see why computers should be any different if they are supposed to be "mature" products.

As it happens, I do know quite a lot about computers - I am a programmer. However, you're not going to sell the things to people like my parents until they are like cars - just "buy it and use it" and not have to worry about knowing how it works.

DonRobodroid · 07-09-2008, 02:12 PM

Your knowledge about cars might be more profound than you think. You not only know which hole to put the petrol in, you also know which kind of petrol to put in. Which leads me to suspect that you (and probably your parents too) know which kind of engine is pottering away under the hood of your car. Is it a Diesel, Otto, Wankel, Electric, Steam, Nuclear, Muscle powered (hey, there's actually quite a lot of different types of engines!) engine?

But you're right, a lot of people are not interested in how many horse power the car has or (sadly) how much petrol it consumes etc.

Cheers,
- Don [:-], who doesn't even know which processor powers the iLiad...

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07-07-2008, 01:15 PM	#62
carandol Evangelist Posts: 423 Karma: 2153430 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: BeBook	I know some people have complained (and I have this problem too) that the iLiad ink fades considerably in direct sunlight. Is this true of all iLiads (or do I have a faulty one?), and if so, do visplex screens do it too?

07-09-2008, 01:52 PM	#74
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,556 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I neither know nor care how my car works - all I know is which hole to put the petrol in . A car is just a tool - I don't want to have to understand how it works in order to use it. I really don't see why computers should be any different if they are supposed to be "mature" products. As it happens, I do know quite a lot about computers - I am a programmer. However, you're not going to sell the things to people like my parents until they are like cars - just "buy it and use it" and not have to worry about knowing how it works.

07-09-2008, 02:12 PM	#75
DonRobodroid Paper?! Who needs paper? Posts: 38 Karma: 28 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Device: iLiad v2, iPhone 3GS	Your knowledge about cars might be more profound than you think. You not only know which hole to put the petrol in, you also know which kind of petrol to put in. Which leads me to suspect that you (and probably your parents too) know which kind of engine is pottering away under the hood of your car. Is it a Diesel, Otto, Wankel, Electric, Steam, Nuclear, Muscle powered (hey, there's actually quite a lot of different types of engines!) engine? But you're right, a lot of people are not interested in how many horse power the car has or (sadly) how much petrol it consumes etc. Cheers, - Don [:-], who doesn't even know which processor powers the iLiad...