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Old 06-05-2012, 08:48 AM   #16
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The press release seems to indicate that Amazon will make these books available to Kindle only. I hope Amazon is finally going to sell ePub books as well.
If they obtain a large enough exclusive market segment of back list titles, someone is going to raise a legal objection to having to read the books on Amazon's propitiatory device; someone will eventually bring suit in trying to force Amazon to make their books available in epub.

Will they have a case? Does this type of exclusivity constitute anti-trust?

Where are our lawyers!?
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #17
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Will they have a case? Does this type of exclusivity constitute anti-trust?
When you can read the books on not just Kindles, but iOS devices, Android devices, BlackBerries and normal web browsers?
Pretty much the only things you can't read them on are other eInk devices.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:40 AM   #18
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When you can read the books on not just Kindles, but iOS devices, Android devices, BlackBerries and normal web browsers?
Pretty much the only things you can't read them on are other eInk devices.
Good point. If B&N wanted to include the ability to read the kindle format on a nook, would they have to license it from Amazon?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:09 PM   #19
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When you can read the books on not just Kindles, but iOS devices, Android devices, BlackBerries and normal web browsers?
Pretty much the only things you can't read them on are other eInk devices.
Actually, my little Libre Pro's specifications say it can read .mobi books, as long as they are DRM free...

But I still don't like this. Not because it limits the books to certain devices since that is easy to get around, but because it's now pretty much a guarantee that Avalon books will not be sold by anyone other than Amazon.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:23 PM   #20
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Amazon needs to sell its EBooks at all stores. The exclusivity thing is just bad for ebooks. Make them available to BN and Smashwords and Kobo and the like. If you are going to Publish books, then making them widely available.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:27 PM   #21
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Sorry if I missed it, but where did it say that Amazon would not sell their imprints' ebooks via other online channels? As far as I'm aware, it's the other sellers who are refusing to carry ebooks by the Amazon imprints.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:34 PM   #22
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Good point. If B&N wanted to include the ability to read the kindle format on a nook, would they have to license it from Amazon?
But wait a minute, please. Just as the paper it's printed on isn't a book, the reader it's displayed on isn't the book either.

Publishers have always distributed their books through as many channels as they could including paperbacks, hardbacks, trade paperbacks, etc. Other publishers like Electronic Arts put their games on many devices as they can afford; so does Sega and all the other publishers. I have to think they go to the trouble because they make more money that way.

Amazon is in many businesses including the book shop business but they are now also in the publishing business--different businesses means different paths to maximize profit. To me, it seems reasonable for Amazon to publish in every form, paper and electronic, that people want to buy. The only reasonable question, to my mind, is whether Amazon will start selling these books through Amazon.com, setup a separate bookstore for Amazon publishing books or sell the ePub version through other bookstores. After all, the object is to maximize profit not exercise power. I look forward to finding out which one they go for.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:30 PM   #23
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...After all, the object is to maximize profit not exercise power. I look forward to finding out which one they go for.
Many a MBA would argue, often justifiably, that the two are closely related.

For Amazon (and B&N as well), the reading device is much more than a piece of electronics, it is an ecosystem that ties and binds you. In that power, there is great profit.

Is the profit greater than what they'd realize by letting go of the format? I don't know.
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Other publishers like Electronic Arts put their games on many devices as they can afford; so does Sega and all the other publishers. I have to think they go to the trouble because they make more money that way.
You are talking about third-party game publishers. Amazon is more like a hardware manufacturer such as Microsoft or Nintendo that not only makes the consoles but also own a number of first-party publishers that release games exclusively on their system.
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Sorry if I missed it, but where did it say that Amazon would not sell their imprints' ebooks via other online channels? As far as I'm aware, it's the other sellers who are refusing to carry ebooks by the Amazon imprints.
Amazon's Publishing arm has not allowed the e-books to be sold at other e-book stores. The paper versions can be sold but not the e-book versions. People, myself included, are assuming that the same rules will apply here.

For example, the recent acquisition of the Bond books in the US.
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Indeed.
I assume the bookstores carrying those titles will promptly remove them...?
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Amazon needs to sell its EBooks at all stores. The exclusivity thing is just bad for ebooks. Make them available to BN and Smashwords and Kobo and the like. If you are going to Publish books, then making them widely available.
You do know that Amazon is in business to help Amazon, right? Not to help any other retailer. Your ideas of what Amazon as a publisher should do are worthy and idealistic, but that doesn't pay the shareholders.
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I believe that I have made that very point on many an occassion.

I still would prefer that they sell ebooks to all the various stores so that others can enjoy them.
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What Amazon is doing is taking eBooks from people who do not have a use for Amazon's format(s) and keeping them away from these people. That's not good at all. There are a lot of people who read eBooks do not have a Kindle, do not use a Kindle app, do not strip DRM and do not convert.
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What Amazon is doing is taking eBooks from people who do not have a use for Amazon's format(s) and keeping them away from these people. That's not good at all. There are a lot of people who read eBooks do not have a Kindle, do not use a Kindle app, do not strip DRM and do not convert.
That's so easy to fix --- buy a Kindle
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