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Old 07-02-2008, 05:20 PM   #76
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Shogun - James Clavell
absolutely awesome book. The entire series interesting, but none quite so as the first....
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:26 PM   #77
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I haven't read the whole thread but I would like The Stand by Stephen King. I'd also like an audiobook version of it as well. It's my favorite book and one of the very few I've re-read (if I know the ending I can't read it again).
My alltime favorite also. I have both the original Stand the the Uncut Edition. Hardback, of course. I did notice fictionwise has The Stand for sale, but not for kindle. Hopefully Amazon will follow suit soon....meanwhile, 'Salem's Lot is a close second, and its available.........
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:01 PM   #78
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Hmmm, better check that one out. Quick scan and it seems pretty interesting. Plus it looks short enough that I can still follow the "fit existing shelves" rule.

Good call.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:07 PM   #79
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Hmmm, better check that one out. Quick scan and it seems pretty interesting. Plus it looks short enough that I can still follow the "fit existing shelves" rule.

Good call.
It won a Hugo in the year it was released. It's also one of the few SF stories I can think of with a Catholic priest as a principal character.

Earth goes out among the stars, and encounters an alien race apparently without Original Sin. By the priest's standards, this makes them a trap of Satan. The ending leaves that carefully ambiguous.

Blish explored religious themes elsewhere, in his _Black Easter_/_The Day After Judgement_ set, but those might better be classified as horror.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:10 PM   #80
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absolutely awesome book. The entire series interesting, but none quite so as the first....
Er, _Shogun_ was a stand-alone novel.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:20 PM   #81
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Er, _Shogun_ was a stand-alone novel.
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Shogun is considered a part of the "Asian Saga." Along with:

King Rat (1962)
Tai-Pan (1966)
Noble House (1981)
Whirlwind (1986)
Gai-Jin (1993)
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:24 PM   #82
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Shogun is considered a part of the "Asian Saga." Along with:

King Rat (1962)
Tai-Pan (1966)
Noble House (1981)
Whirlwind (1986)
Gai-Jin (1993)
In the sense that Clavell returned to the Asian setting and culture in his books, yes. But I wouldn't call them a series.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:59 PM   #83
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In the sense that Clavell returned to the Asian setting and culture in his books, yes. But I wouldn't call them a series.
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With the except of King Rat, the rest of the books follow the same two main family's fortune altho in different centuries. How is that not a series?
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:03 PM   #84
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With the except of King Rat, the rest of the books follow the same two main family's fortune altho in different centuries. How is that not a series?
Unless memory totally fails me, _Shogun_ is not part of that series.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:14 PM   #85
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Well, butter my butt

and call me a biscuit. I stand corrected and humble. Now I have to go back and read them ALL to refresh my memory..........I could sworn it was the same family.......grrrr......chalk it up to being 60. God thats such a great excuse!!!
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and call me a biscuit. I stand corrected and humble. Now I have to go back and read them ALL to refresh my memory..........I could sworn it was the same family.......grrrr......chalk it up to being 60. God thats such a great excuse!!!
I could be wrong, and will sit corrected if so. But Shogun took place in 1600. Tai-pan is set in 1841.

Shogun does use themes and setting Clavell used in other books. He thought of himself in part as helping to explain Japanese culture to westerners, though not all Japanese were pleased by his explanations.

The late SF grandmaster SF artist Kelly Freas once recommended Shogun as a superb "first contact with an alien civilization" novel, and he made a good case for it.
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Wikipedia has an article about the "Asian Saga" which may or may not settle this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Asian_Saga
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so...as it stands.......

"ShoGun" stands alone, taking place in the 1600's. Published 1975. Still my favorite...I felt like I actually understood a different culture when I finished the book the first time. Layers upon layers upon layers.

Tai-Pan,(taking place in 1840's)(published 1966) Gai-Jin,(taking place in 1862)published in 1993, and Noble House (taking place in the 1960's )published in 1981 are books taking place in different eras, BUT all featuring the Struan and Brock families, and their Asian counterparts, and their fortunes.

Interesting that the books weren't published in order, that is he skipped back and forth between the 'saga'.......Now, excuse me, I have to go buy some books..........

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Bad Lands - Tony Wheeler

I would have thought travel books would be an obvious one to make in eBook form, but Lonely Planet seems to be lagging behind in this one.
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Clive Cussler for me. Shogun is also one of my all time favorite.
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