Yet another "Which eReader?" thread. - Page 2

bhdavis · 05-08-2012, 06:36 PM

I just read something in another thread about the Disadvantages of the Nook SImple Touch- what does "segregated memory" mean, and why is it a problem?

AnemicOak · 05-08-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bhdavis

I just read something in another thread about the Disadvantages of the Nook SImple Touch- what does "segregated memory" mean, and why is it a problem?

It means that a good portion of the memory can only be used to store purchases made from B&N and can't be used for sideloaded content. It's a problem for some and not a problem for others. It all depends on what you're putting on it and where you're getting it from. You can of course add more storage using a microSD card too.

bhdavis · 05-08-2012, 06:51 PM

Alright, that doesn't bother me too much- thank you for clarifying that. I am heavily leaning towards the NST now, although some of the discussions about the T1 have me intrigued. I like how light it is, but I don't like the page turn buttons location (or rather, I like that the NST has page turn buttons on both sides so that it works well in either hand)- plus it seems like you have to swipe a finger to turn the page with the touch interface, versus just tapping the edge of the page as with the Kobo. Is that true?

bhdavis · 05-08-2012, 07:12 PM

I've also read something about 'advertising' on the NST- is this similar to the advertising on the Kindle w/ advertising support, or is it different?

ProfCrash · 05-08-2012, 08:24 PM

I believe that the nook and kobo offer recommendations for books that you might like. The big difference is that the special offer Kindles are sold with the knowledge that there will be ads and you can opt out. You don't have that choice with the nook and kobo. The recommendations are not suppose to be that annoying but I prefer that you can opt in or out no matter how unobtrusive the ads/recommendations are.

afv011 · 05-08-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bhdavis

I've also read something about 'advertising' on the NST- is this similar to the advertising on the Kindle w/ advertising support, or is it different?

You get recommendations on your home page based on what you've purchased. But you won't see them, the home page is next to useless; I'm only in the reader or in the library.

bhdavis · 05-09-2012, 12:59 AM

I went back to Best Buy tonight and tried out the Sony T1 and Kobo Touch again- and now I find myself starting to waffle. It's hard to really get a sense of what they're like cause they're tethered to the desk, but the T1 feels a much lighter than the Kobo Touch. It also feels much smaller and more diminutive in your hands than the Kobo. After using it, I realized I like the swipe gesture to turn pages better than the tapping on Kobo. It allows you change pages in either direction without requiring both hands. On the other hand, the T1 feels a little bit delicate and perhaps less robust- although they're probably both rather delicate.

On the Kobo Touch you can adjust how frequently the page performs a complete refresh- I like it set to every time because I find the hold over very distracting. How often does the page totally refresh on the PRS-T1? I didn't notice an option to change it on the T1, nor did I notice any obvious ghosting but I didn't use it as much and they only had the Manuals on it, so there wasn't a lot of options to try it out.

Nook Simple Touch
+ Next and Previous physical page turn buttons located on left and right hand side of the Bezel
- Least convenient to buy (would require shipping it to a PO close to the border and then having my in-laws pick it up and mail it on to me or hold onto it until we visit them)
- Most difficult to exchange / return unit if defective or requires warranty service

Kobo Touch
+ Least expensive option for me to purchase ($99 at the moment)
+ Easy to exchange / return unit if defective or requires warranty service
+ Lots of text font manipulation options (font size, margins, line spacing)
+ Relatively inexpensive silicone covers
- No physical page turn buttons
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Sony T1
+ Lightest
+ Swipe to change pages
+ Physical page turn buttons (I'm less bothered by their location now that I've used it a bit more)
- Most expensive option (but not by much at the moment)
- The interface felt a bit klunky relative to the Kobo

I think I'm going to take the NST off my list, so it'd be down to the T1 and the Kobo. IF the T1 had the same amount of font manipulation (line spacing I suppose?) it'd be a no brainer, although really, I'm not sure that's a huge deal. I liked how close the line spacing was on the T1 and you can adjust the margins on it.

Have I come to a conclusion? The T1? I started by heavily leaning towards the NST, with the Kobo Touch coming at a distant second and hadn't considered the T1 at all, and now the T1 is in first?

Anything else I should think about?

sqdancer · 05-09-2012, 02:23 AM

You probably already know this, but I just wanted to mention that you can swipe on the Kobo Touch, as well as tap.

bhdavis · 05-09-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sqdancer

You probably already know this, but I just wanted to mention that you can swipe on the Kobo Touch, as well as tap.

No, I did not know that. Is it as sensitive? A tiny swipe on the T1 changes pages, does it take a large gesture on the Kobo, or does a small one work?

It's still missing the physical buttons, but the Kobo Touch does look pretty good!

Pomtroll · 05-09-2012, 11:36 AM

I don't have a Kobo Touch so I can't make any suggestions. I do have the T1 & really like it. I really like the dictionaries on it. I use my readers for mostly reading & have found whatever reader I'm using I get used to their interfaces & little quirks.

I'm sure you have been on the Sony & Kobo forums here & learned a bit about them. So in the end you just pick one & go with it. When I got my first reader , Nook Classic, that is what I did. Bu then I got curious about the other readers out there & bought a Kindle3 & then a Sony Prs 350. Liked all of them. I'm just an e-reader junky.

One I never seriously considered was the Kobo even though I tried it at Best Buy.

robko · 05-09-2012, 05:40 PM

I have a Kobo Touch and have never owned any other brand so I can't compare that way. What I would say relative to your comment about the weight/feel is that to me the tether in the store makes a huge difference. In the store, the Kobo Touch feels clunky and somewhat unbalanced. The actual Kobo in use is really nicely balanced and light. I think in the specs the Sony maybe does have a slight weight advantage over the Kobo. I always tap to turn and I don't have my Kobo in front of me so I can't comment on the swipe, but there seem to be lots of people that use swipe.

sqdancer · 05-09-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bhdavis

Is it as sensitive? A tiny swipe on the T1 changes pages, does it take a large gesture on the Kobo, or does a small one work?

My husband uses it more than I do, and he definitely prefers the swipe to the tap on the KT. The swipe on the KT seems very senstive to me, but I haven't ever used a T1 to compare.

bhdavis · 05-10-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sqdancer

My husband uses it more than I do, and he definitely prefers the swipe to the tap on the KT. The swipe on the KT seems very senstive to me, but I haven't ever used a T1 to compare.

That's useful to know, thanks. I've definitely narrowed it down to being between the Kobo and the T1. The Kobo costs $99, the T1 costs $119, although it's $25 at the moment- so the price is about the same. The Kobo has more text manipulation options, but the T1 has physical page turn buttons and it's considerably lighter, and I like it's physical appearance better, but the Kobo feels a bit more solidly constructed. I think I'll get the T1. I have to wait for our tax refund, but now I know what I want

arciervo · 05-10-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bhdavis

I don't plan on buying a lot of books, I expect that I'll primarily borrow books from the library and get free ebooks from the Gutenberg project. That said, I would like the ability to buy some eBooks if I want to. Are ebooks sold by Chapters and Indigo in Canada compatible with the Nook Simple Touch? I assume that they are, but I want to be sure before I make any purchases.

Although it sounds like you have already decided on the Sony, it's worth pointing out that it's currently the only e-reader that allows checking out books directly from Canadian public libraries, via wi-fi. Another plus is that, unlike the Kobo, the web browser is a supported feature. It's possible to download e-books directly from Project Gutenberg, ManyBooks, Feedbooks, and even the Kobo store without having to use a PC. You can also get files into the Sony via the Dropbox mobile web site. Because of these features, I rarely need to connect my PRS-T1 to my PC at all. (When I do, I use Calibre instead of the Sony Reader software, which is terrible.)

Another nice-to-have feature of the Sony is its headphone jack and built-in music player software. I find this useful for masking background noise when reading. (BTW, although the Sony handles MP3 and AAC files, unfortunately it does not work with DRM-protected audiobooks.)

ProfCrash · 05-10-2012, 09:58 AM

I would go with the Sony. It has more features on it and has proven to be less buggy overall than the Kobo.

05-09-2012, 11:36 AM	#25
Pomtroll Guru Posts: 822 Karma: 1341819 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Minnesota USA Device: Sony 350, Sony T1, Kindle Touch, Kindle PW1	I don't have a Kobo Touch so I can't make any suggestions. I do have the T1 & really like it. I really like the dictionaries on it. I use my readers for mostly reading & have found whatever reader I'm using I get used to their interfaces & little quirks. I'm sure you have been on the Sony & Kobo forums here & learned a bit about them. So in the end you just pick one & go with it. When I got my first reader , Nook Classic, that is what I did. Bu then I got curious about the other readers out there & bought a Kindle3 & then a Sony Prs 350. Liked all of them. I'm just an e-reader junky. One I never seriously considered was the Kobo even though I tried it at Best Buy. Last edited by Pomtroll; 05-09-2012 at 11:43 AM.

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05-08-2012, 06:36 PM	#16
bhdavis Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 294 Join Date: May 2012 Device: none	I just read something in another thread about the Disadvantages of the Nook SImple Touch- what does "segregated memory" mean, and why is it a problem?

05-08-2012, 06:51 PM	#18
bhdavis Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 294 Join Date: May 2012 Device: none	Alright, that doesn't bother me too much- thank you for clarifying that. I am heavily leaning towards the NST now, although some of the discussions about the T1 have me intrigued. I like how light it is, but I don't like the page turn buttons location (or rather, I like that the NST has page turn buttons on both sides so that it works well in either hand)- plus it seems like you have to swipe a finger to turn the page with the touch interface, versus just tapping the edge of the page as with the Kobo. Is that true?

05-08-2012, 07:12 PM	#19
bhdavis Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 294 Join Date: May 2012 Device: none	I've also read something about 'advertising' on the NST- is this similar to the advertising on the Kindle w/ advertising support, or is it different?

05-08-2012, 08:24 PM	#20
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I believe that the nook and kobo offer recommendations for books that you might like. The big difference is that the special offer Kindles are sold with the knowledge that there will be ads and you can opt out. You don't have that choice with the nook and kobo. The recommendations are not suppose to be that annoying but I prefer that you can opt in or out no matter how unobtrusive the ads/recommendations are.

05-09-2012, 12:59 AM	#22
bhdavis Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 294 Join Date: May 2012 Device: none	I went back to Best Buy tonight and tried out the Sony T1 and Kobo Touch again- and now I find myself starting to waffle. It's hard to really get a sense of what they're like cause they're tethered to the desk, but the T1 feels a much lighter than the Kobo Touch. It also feels much smaller and more diminutive in your hands than the Kobo. After using it, I realized I like the swipe gesture to turn pages better than the tapping on Kobo. It allows you change pages in either direction without requiring both hands. On the other hand, the T1 feels a little bit delicate and perhaps less robust- although they're probably both rather delicate. On the Kobo Touch you can adjust how frequently the page performs a complete refresh- I like it set to every time because I find the hold over very distracting. How often does the page totally refresh on the PRS-T1? I didn't notice an option to change it on the T1, nor did I notice any obvious ghosting but I didn't use it as much and they only had the Manuals on it, so there wasn't a lot of options to try it out. Nook Simple Touch + Next and Previous physical page turn buttons located on left and right hand side of the Bezel - Least convenient to buy (would require shipping it to a PO close to the border and then having my in-laws pick it up and mail it on to me or hold onto it until we visit them) - Most difficult to exchange / return unit if defective or requires warranty service Kobo Touch + Least expensive option for me to purchase ($99 at the moment) + Easy to exchange / return unit if defective or requires warranty service + Lots of text font manipulation options (font size, margins, line spacing) + Relatively inexpensive silicone covers - No physical page turn buttons - Sony T1 + Lightest + Swipe to change pages + Physical page turn buttons (I'm less bothered by their location now that I've used it a bit more) - Most expensive option (but not by much at the moment) - The interface felt a bit klunky relative to the Kobo I think I'm going to take the NST off my list, so it'd be down to the T1 and the Kobo. IF the T1 had the same amount of font manipulation (line spacing I suppose?) it'd be a no brainer, although really, I'm not sure that's a huge deal. I liked how close the line spacing was on the T1 and you can adjust the margins on it. Have I come to a conclusion? The T1? I started by heavily leaning towards the NST, with the Kobo Touch coming at a distant second and hadn't considered the T1 at all, and now the T1 is in first? Anything else I should think about?

05-09-2012, 02:23 AM	#23
sqdancer Guru Posts: 636 Karma: 891247 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada Device: Sony T2 T3, Kobo Glo H2O GloHD Clara Libra2, Kindle NT PW4, PB Verse	You probably already know this, but I just wanted to mention that you can swipe on the Kobo Touch, as well as tap.

05-09-2012, 05:40 PM	#26
robko Wizard Posts: 2,454 Karma: 5469320 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kobo	I have a Kobo Touch and have never owned any other brand so I can't compare that way. What I would say relative to your comment about the weight/feel is that to me the tether in the store makes a huge difference. In the store, the Kobo Touch feels clunky and somewhat unbalanced. The actual Kobo in use is really nicely balanced and light. I think in the specs the Sony maybe does have a slight weight advantage over the Kobo. I always tap to turn and I don't have my Kobo in front of me so I can't comment on the swipe, but there seem to be lots of people that use swipe.

05-10-2012, 09:58 AM	#30
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I would go with the Sony. It has more features on it and has proven to be less buggy overall than the Kobo.

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