High Court orders British ISPs to block "The Pirate Bay"

[elcreative]

Originally Posted by HarryT

That's interesting. In English law, "truth" is an absolute defence against libel. No true statement can be held to be libellous. There are other laws which may apply, however, such as those governing invasion of privacy.

Yes, in fact libel is defamation as per dictionary definition hence lack of truth in libel but tompe's Swedish extension to libel would " public disclosure of private facts," a separate civil action in the UK and not libel (published) or slander (verbal) where truth can be a defence...

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Stealing is bad, whether by consumers or by purveyors. Corporations are stealing by not passing on savings. You can't have it both ways. Good luck with your business.

No. Just no.

You don't even understand what stealing is.

Stealing is taking something without the owner's permission. If you think a product is too expensive, you just don't buy it. It is not stealing for a company to ask you to pay more for a product than you, personally, think it is worth.

It is stealing for you to take the product without paying.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

No. Just no.

You don't even understand what stealing is.

Stealing is taking something without the owner's permission. If you think a product is too expensive, you just don't buy it. It is not stealing for a company to ask you to pay more for a product than you, personally, think it is worth.

It seems to me that it is stealing in the same way that copyright infringement is stealing. That is not at all.

[Giggleton]

You might think that the raw materials that corporations use to produce their goods are owned by the corporation but you would of course be wrong. The earth does not belong to us, we belong to the earth.

[teh603]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

You might think that the raw materials that corporations use to produce their goods are owned by the corporation but you would of course be wrong. The earth does not belong to us, we belong to the earth.

Might want to write all those Koans down so future generations can find wisdom.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

So you are also saying that police should never try to stop petty theft? That never can be justified on a simple cost-benefit calculation, too. I guess when someone picks your pocket and takes 10 bucks you just laugh it off?

The way I see it, if society makes an effort the level of crime immediately goes down a lot. Why did speeding go down? Because of cameras. People are afraid of getting caught. Even if the cameras weren't loaded, they usually stop speeding or running red lights in that area. So it really isn't that expensive.

Speed cameras were more about saving money than fighting crime, they replaced more expensive police patrol cars. But unlike patrol cars, they can only detect one particular type of crime in one particular location. I haven't looked at any statistics, but I would be surprised if vehicle accidents haven't increased since cameras took over the job. Not only are drivers getting away with more dangerous driving that would have been picked up by patrol cars, they also only slow down just before they reach the camera and then speed up again.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by teh603

Might want to write all those Koans down so future generations can find wisdom.

You're making a joke, that's fine. I will be the first to joke along with you. But when you speak of things like ownership and property you must understand that I find the idea of those things ludicrous. It is just downright absurd to think that anyone can own anything when the universe is obviously infinitely interconnected.

In other words, what is good for the goose is good for the gander, our system relies on some exploiting others for its continued existence. To cry and whine when you yourself are exploited while working within this system

[Rizla]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

No. Just no.

You don't even understand what stealing is.

Yes, I do. I know that pirates steal and I know that cartel-forming large companies that don't pass on savings steal. I see both sides and acknowledge both are wrong. You appear to see only one side.

[ProfCrash]

It is called supply and demand. If the price is too high people won't buy the product, ie demand will drop. If that happens, price will drop. It is not called theft, it is called basic economic principles.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by Rizla

Yes, I do. I know that pirates steal and I know that cartel-forming large companies that don't pass on savings steal. I see both sides and acknowledge both are wrong. You appear to see only one side.

So does an employee steal from a company when he buys a more fuel efficient car and spends less to get to and from work? Should he go to the company and demand that his wage/salary be cut? That would be the logical extention of your statement above.

In reality, there is not necessarily a direct relationship between cost and sales prices. Some items will even sold below cost (loss leaders, inventory clearance).

[Xoanon]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

If you think a product is too expensive, you just don't buy it. It is not stealing for a company to ask you to pay more for a product than you, personally, think it is worth.

I'm sure this may have been true in ye olden days, but the world has moved on now. When the consumers have unfettered access to your products then they are the ones who determine what that product is worth, not the companies.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Xoanon

I'm sure this may have been true in ye olden days, but the world has moved on now. When the consumers have unfettered access to your products then they are the ones who determine what that product is worth, not the companies.

I must respectfully disagree. If you believe that something is too expensive, that does not justify simply taking it without paying for it.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

It is called supply and demand. If the price is too high people won't buy the product, ie demand will drop.

Isn't that what piracy is, people not buying the product? Traditionally it's been used as an excuse to increase prices, not lower them.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by Xoanon

I'm sure this may have been true in ye olden days, but the world has moved on now. When the consumers have unfettered access to your products then they are the ones who determine what that product is worth, not the companies.

The ones you are talking about are not consumers. Consumers are people who are willing to pay for a product, they don't just take what doesn't belong to them because they can get away with it. And neither are those who claim to be willing to buy for a ridiculously low price that nobody can afford to sell at called consumers. The ones you are talking about will always take it for free and never buy, anyway. They really don't count. Honest people may think something is too expensive. Then they just stay away and get something else.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Isn't that what piracy is, people not buying the product? Traditionally it's been used as an excuse to increase prices, not lower them.

No, piracy is buying (getting) the product without paying.