Kindle 3 can't read MOBI book???

KindleQuebec · 04-20-2012, 01:59 PM

Hi! I just bought a french book on Amazon.fr (My Kindle is linked to my Amazon.com account) and used Calibre to remove the DRM. I CAN read the book in Calibre, so the file should be ok, DRM-free. I transfer it on my Kindle 3 and there, when I try to read it, I get: "The selected item could not be opened. If you purchased this item from Amazon, delete the item and redownload it from Archived Items available in Home." I've done this before and never had any problem.

I just had to clean my computer, reinstall Windows, Calibre and everything, so maybe it has something to do with this, but I can't see why. Any idea, someone?

Thanks in advance

*I just tried de-registering my Kindle and registering it on Amazon.fr. Now, I can read the file. This is weird...

susan_cassidy · 04-20-2012, 02:26 PM

Are you sure you copied the DRM-free version to the Kindle. Of course, if you originally downloaded it for that Kindle, it wouldn't matter. Did you try downloading the book for the Kindle 3?

pidgeon92 · 04-20-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by susan_cassidy

Are you sure you copied the DRM-free version to the Kindle. Of course, if you originally downloaded it for that Kindle, it wouldn't matter. Did you try downloading the book for the Kindle 3?

This was my first thought as well.

The OP stated that their Kindle was on their Amazon.com account, not on the French account, so my guess is that they downloaded the file for a different device. Once the DRM was stripped, I can't think of any reason why the Kindle wouldn't be able to open the file, unless the wrong file was transferred.

DiapDealer · 04-20-2012, 04:08 PM

If you removed the DRM from an ebook you downloaded to Kindle for PC/Mac version v1.9.0 or greater, and then tried to load it on your Kindle 3 (or K2, K1, or KDX), this is the exact type of error message you will run into if it was a KF8 ebook.

The Kindle app supports KF8... but that doesn't mean your eInk device will know what to do with a DRM-Free KF8 ebook.

That may not be what happened in this particular incident, but it's going to start happening a lot.

TimW · 04-20-2012, 04:25 PM

Although I know you "cleaned" the file, that's a DRM error message. I've had that one pop up on me before and that was definitely the issue.

pidgeon92 · 04-20-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The Kindle app supports KF8... but that doesn't mean your eInk device will know what to do with a DRM-Free KF8 ebook.

Does a KF8 book have a different file extension?

Does Calibre still identify it as a mobi file?

If you buy a book that is KF8, and you buy it for a K2, does it send a different file type? Or is there something in the DRM that allows it to open on a K2?

JSWolf · 04-20-2012, 05:20 PM

I think I know what the problem is.

The eBook in question is a KF8 format eBook and yes the DRM can be stripped and the eBook can then be viewed via Calibre. But it cannot be viewed via a Kindle 3 unless it's first converted to a Mobipocket file. I think Calibre could do the conversion.

geoffwood · 04-20-2012, 05:30 PM

I think the book is associated with your .fr account and still has DRM, hence it can now be read with the Kindle registered to the .fr account. but not when the Kindle is registered to your .com account

You say you reinstalled Calibre, but did you reinstall the tools needed to strip DRM? They aren't part of the standard program, they need to be installed separately.

DiapDealer · 04-20-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pidgeon92

Does a KF8 book have a different file extension?

If you download it to one of the apps, probably not. It will be an AZW file like anything else. But if you download it from your Amazon library there's a good chance it will have an AZW3 extension. I'm not sure about files downloaded directly to devices that support KF8... I don't have one.

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Does Calibre still identify it as a mobi file?

Yes. But recent versions of calibre know how to recognize and convert KF8 files. The very latest will recognize the AZW3 extension, as well.

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If you buy a book that is KF8, and you buy it for a K2, does it send a different file type? Or is there something in the DRM that allows it to open on a K2?

Yes it sends a different file completely. Amazon delivers only the file-type that the device/app can handle. So while the file delivered to a PC (Kindle for PC/Mac) or a Kindle Fire may be in the KF8 format, the same ebook delivered to a K2/K3 will be a regular old mobi.

AnemicOak · 04-20-2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidgeon92

If you buy a book that is KF8, and you buy it for a K2, does it send a different file type? Or is there something in the DRM that allows it to open on a K2?

You'd get a regular Mobi file.

sadievan · 04-20-2012, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

If you removed the DRM from an ebook you downloaded to Kindle for PC/Mac version v1.9.0 or greater, and then tried to load it on your Kindle 3 (or K2, K1, or KDX), this is the exact type of error message you will run into if it was a KF8 ebook.

The Kindle app supports KF8... but that doesn't mean your eInk device will know what to do with a DRM-Free KF8 ebook.

That may not be what happened in this particular incident, but it's going to start happening a lot.

Can the OP just convert the book in Calibre to mobi or to epub and then mobi to be able to transfer it to his/her K3? Assuming there is some reason he needs to transfer the book from Calibre rather than just downloading it directly to the K3.

Carol

JSWolf · 04-20-2012, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoffwood

I think the book is associated with your .fr account and still has DRM, hence it can now be read with the Kindle registered to the .fr account. but not when the Kindle is registered to your .com account

You say you reinstalled Calibre, but did you reinstall the tools needed to strip DRM? They aren't part of the standard program, they need to be installed separately.

When downloaded via one of the 1.9.x Kindle for PC he probably got KF8 and when he downloaded to the K3, he got Mobi.

DiapDealer · 04-20-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadievan

Can the OP just convert the book in Calibre to mobi or to epub and then mobi to be able to transfer it to his/her K3? Assuming there is some reason he needs to transfer the book from Calibre rather than just downloading it directly to the K3.

Carol

Absolutely. If it's already been disinfected, a mobi-to-mobi conversion (with a recent version of calibre) will make the book readable on the K3. But just like any ePub to mobi conversion... there's no guarantee that the conversion will be completely loss-less.

JSWolf · 04-20-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Absolutely. If it's already been disinfected, a mobi-to-mobi conversion (with a recent version of calibre) will make the book readable on the K3. But just like any ePub to mobi conversion... there's no guarantee that the conversion will be completely loss-less.

It will be lossless in terms of the content. But the formatting, I can't say.

And if it really is KF8, it would come out as a Mobi for the K3.

DiapDealer · 04-20-2012, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

It will be lossless in terms of the content. But the formatting, I can't say.

Which is exactly what I was referring to. For all intents and purposes, the conversion of a KF8(MOBI) to the MOBI format by calibre is the same as converting an ePub to MOBI with calibre.

04-20-2012, 01:59 PM	#1
KindleQuebec Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2012 Device: Kindle 3 keyboard	Kindle 3 can't read MOBI book??? Hi! I just bought a french book on Amazon.fr (My Kindle is linked to my Amazon.com account) and used Calibre to remove the DRM. I CAN read the book in Calibre, so the file should be ok, DRM-free. I transfer it on my Kindle 3 and there, when I try to read it, I get: "The selected item could not be opened. If you purchased this item from Amazon, delete the item and redownload it from Archived Items available in Home." I've done this before and never had any problem. I just had to clean my computer, reinstall Windows, Calibre and everything, so maybe it has something to do with this, but I can't see why. Any idea, someone? Thanks in advance I just tried de-registering my Kindle and registering it on Amazon.fr. Now, I can read the file. This is weird... Last edited by KindleQuebec; 04-20-2012 at 02:28 PM.*

04-20-2012, 04:08 PM	#4
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,559 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	If you removed the DRM from an ebook you downloaded to Kindle for PC/Mac version v1.9.0 or greater, and then tried to load it on your Kindle 3 (or K2, K1, or KDX), this is the exact type of error message you will run into if it was a KF8 ebook. The Kindle app supports KF8... but that doesn't mean your eInk device will know what to do with a DRM-Free KF8 ebook. That may not be what happened in this particular incident, but it's going to start happening a lot. Last edited by DiapDealer; 04-20-2012 at 04:42 PM.

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04-20-2012, 02:26 PM	#2
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	Are you sure you copied the DRM-free version to the Kindle. Of course, if you originally downloaded it for that Kindle, it wouldn't matter. Did you try downloading the book for the Kindle 3?

04-20-2012, 04:25 PM	#5
TimW Wizard Posts: 1,022 Karma: 6824104 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southeastern Kentucky Device: KK3G, KPW1, Sony PRST1, Sony PRS350, iPod Touch 5G	Although I know you "cleaned" the file, that's a DRM error message. I've had that one pop up on me before and that was definitely the issue.

04-20-2012, 05:20 PM	#7
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,711 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I think I know what the problem is. The eBook in question is a KF8 format eBook and yes the DRM can be stripped and the eBook can then be viewed via Calibre. But it cannot be viewed via a Kindle 3 unless it's first converted to a Mobipocket file. I think Calibre could do the conversion.

04-20-2012, 05:30 PM	#8
geoffwood Addict Posts: 244 Karma: 1105690 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: K4NT+K4T+PRST1	I think the book is associated with your .fr account and still has DRM, hence it can now be read with the Kindle registered to the .fr account. but not when the Kindle is registered to your .com account You say you reinstalled Calibre, but did you reinstall the tools needed to strip DRM? They aren't part of the standard program, they need to be installed separately.