Take-off, Landing, and Your Ereader -- A Poll - Page 19

tompe · 04-17-2012, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No. There are only three things that you can do with a Kindle:

1. Press the power switch briefly. This puts it to sleep, with a screen saver.

2. Hold the power switch in for about 7 seconds. This puts it to sleep, but with a blank screen. It will still wake instantly when you press the power switch.

I read that the indexing was running in 1 but not in 2. Is that not true? So that 1 is not guaranteed to be sleep.

But the manual call 2 off. They do not call it sleep.

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To turn your Kindle on, press the power button. To put your Kindle in sleep mode, press and release the power button; the screensaver appears on the display. To wake up your Kindle, press the power button. To turn off your Kindle, press and hold the power button for seven seconds until the screen goes blank.

HarryT · 04-17-2012, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

But the manual call 2 off. They do not call it sleep.

They may call it that, but it plainly is a sleep mode. Press the power button - does it come on instantly, or do you get the "boy under a tree" boot sequence?

plib · 04-17-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

They may call it that, but it plainly is a sleep mode. Press the power button - does it come on instantly, or do you get the "boy under a tree" boot sequence?

I don't own a Kindle, so this is an uneducated guess, but it sounds to me as though what they are doing is very similar to hibernating a laptop i.e. copying the entire contents of memory to a swapfile on disk and then powering down. The start up is just copying the swapfile back to memory, so no boot operations and it's much faster.

You don't get a boot sequence when you power up a hibernated laptop but once hibernated it is most definitely off. I'm sure I've removed/swapped batteries on hibernated laptops with no ill effect. If Amazon call this option "Off" then that's what it might be.

ProfCrash · 04-17-2012, 09:31 AM

It is as off as the Kindle gets and most people refer to it as off. Harry is very precise in all of his language but I think that any Flight Attendent would tell you that what they want is the screen blank = off. So hold the power button for a few extra seconds. It may not make a difference for the device but it makes the Flight Attendants happy if they are watching you.

HarryT · 04-17-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I think that any Flight Attendent would tell you that what they want is the screen blank = off. So hold the power button for a few extra seconds. It may not make a difference for the device but it makes the Flight Attendants happy if they are watching you.

I entirely agree with you about that.

whitearrow · 04-17-2012, 02:23 PM

My iPod Nanos have no true "off" either, as far as I can tell.

HansTWN · 04-18-2012, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

It is as off as the Kindle gets and most people refer to it as off. Harry is very precise in all of his language but I think that any Flight Attendent would tell you that what they want is the screen blank = off. So hold the power button for a few extra seconds. It may not make a difference for the device but it makes the Flight Attendants happy if they are watching you.

So whatever happened to our campaign of civil disobedience?

ProfCrash · 04-18-2012, 02:19 AM

How do you think I know that they want the screensaver gone? (winks)

And I don't see it as civil disobedience.

HansTWN · 04-18-2012, 04:12 AM

Civil disobedience is too grand a word for such a small matter. But it is a stupid law from another age that has been made obsolete by technological progress. And we want to make it go away.

plib · 04-18-2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

It is as off as the Kindle gets and most people refer to it as off.

If they really are hibernating it, then it's off. As off as it gets, you could pull the battery with no change.

HansTWN · 04-18-2012, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by plib

If they really are hibernating it, then it's off. As off as it gets, you could pull the battery with no change.

Don't give them any ideas...

plib · 04-18-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

Don't give them any ideas...

Hey, if I could get them to replace it with a new battery in a couple of years?

Andy_T · 04-18-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

It is as off as the Kindle gets and most people refer to it as off. Harry is very precise in all of his language but I think that any Flight Attendent would tell you that what they want is the screen blank = off. So hold the power button for a few extra seconds. It may not make a difference for the device but it makes the Flight Attendants happy if they are watching you.

So what if you have the "Special Offers" version?

If I am not mistaken the screensaver stays on at this one.

Best regards,
Andy

HarryT · 04-18-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy_T

So what if you have the "Special Offers" version?

If I am not mistaken the screensaver stays on at this one.

Best regards,
Andy

You are mistaken; it behave exactly the same as the "normal" Kindle. Hold in the power switch for about 7s and the screen goes blank. The the Kindle is just asleep; it's not turned off. I have a Kindle Touch with special offers.

Sil_liS · 04-18-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The issue is that if you consider it acceptable for people to ignore this law because they think that they know better than the law, you're opening the door to those people who have devices which really MAY be harmful to also ignore the law. Are you willing to stake your life on the fact that every device that someone brings on board an aircraft is harmless? You may be. I'm not.

Then Kindles should be banned from the carry-on since they can't be turned off. The reason why they aren't banned is because they are harmless.

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Also, as extra info on the 2003 crash, as the above quote makes it sound like the pilot was on the phone at the time of the crash rather than flying the plane, he wasn't but the phone was still active.

The report can be found here

The report is pretty clear on the fact that the pilot was on the phone at the time of the crash rather than flying the plane:

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The way in which the pilot set up and conducted the instrument approach was conducive to a high workload at best, and potential overload and distraction if any complicating factor arose.
The significant events were:
• the high speed descent leading into the unstabilised approach
• the late reversion from autopilot to hand-flying, with little time to settle in before intercepting the ILS approach
• not leaving the autopilot engaged and not selecting it for a coupled approach, and
• his cellphone call, initiated just before commencing the approach.

I'm not sure how you managed to misinterpret the fact that he made the call as he was landing.

View Poll Results: During take-off and landing I...
put my reader to sleep and put it away	103	42.04%
shut my reader down and put it away	45	18.37%
continue reading unless/until a flight attendant tells me to put it away	57	23.27%
ignore the flight attendant and keep reading until I get arrested and hauled off the plane	9	3.67%
I never fly, but I like answering poll questions	31	12.65%
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04-17-2012, 09:31 AM	#274
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	It is as off as the Kindle gets and most people refer to it as off. Harry is very precise in all of his language but I think that any Flight Attendent would tell you that what they want is the screen blank = off. So hold the power button for a few extra seconds. It may not make a difference for the device but it makes the Flight Attendants happy if they are watching you.

04-17-2012, 02:23 PM	#276
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	My iPod Nanos have no true "off" either, as far as I can tell.

04-18-2012, 02:19 AM	#278
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	How do you think I know that they want the screensaver gone? (winks) And I don't see it as civil disobedience.

04-18-2012, 04:12 AM	#279
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	Civil disobedience is too grand a word for such a small matter. But it is a stupid law from another age that has been made obsolete by technological progress. And we want to make it go away.