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*That* is the essence of the argument. The letter of the law. At most, you could argue that "somebody" in Congress should care. (Say, the Senator from Apple. Or from Google.) But they don't. 500-plus politicians and none has raised a peep: that should tell you which way the wind blows. DOJ has one mission: enforce the letter of the law, *not* set policy. Policy is for Congress. Last edited by fjtorres; 04-17-2012 at 04:53 PM. |
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What the DOJ is prosecuting is a classic hub-and-spoke conspiracy, with Apple at the hub. For example, among the email and testimony evidence there is a report that Penguin told Apple they would only sign up for the Price Fix if they were one out of four. Apple promptly passed the word around and came back with assurance that the other BPHs were committed. That is not the behavior of a bystander, but rather of a facilitator. Possibly a ringleader. |
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Email your elsewhere-purchased DRM-free mobi ebook to your kindle as a Personal Document, and boy presto, you can take advantage of all the above. It's a reason, at that point, to buy a KINDLE, not books from the Kindle store per se.
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Another opinion to this effect, Tim Carmody from Wired... http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/...er-settlement/ Quote:
Keep in mind that Random House is using the same exact agency pricing policies and is not named in the suit. It's like the DoJ is saying "it was illegal for you to talk to one another, but what you were doing was legal, and we're going to stop you from doing it anyway." Meanwhile vendor lock-in and freezing out 3rd party vendors aren't even sniffed at. It's a stunning oversight on the part of the DoJ. |
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Publishing houses and Apple colluded to change retail practice in concert. That is illegal. Whether Amazon let other people use its DRM has nothing to with with that. |
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Pictured above, the DOJ's Pre-Crime Division. |
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The settlement says that those Publishers have to void their contracts with bookstores and renegotiate with them. The terms allow for discounts but do not allow for any bookstore to sell books at a net lose.
Random House is not involved because it waited a year before moving to the Agency Model and was not involved in the collusion. The settlement is not handing Amazon anything. It is negating policies that were deemed to be illegal because they were set in place due to collusion not because the policy itself was illegal. So Random House can keep Agency Pricing. I doubt it will because its books will probably be more expensive then the other Publishers. The settlement itself might even allow Agency Pricing on some level while still allowing for some type of discounting and bundeling. We don't know what the end contracts are going to look like. The DOJ is not handing Amazon anything, they negotiated a settlement to right an illegal situation. |
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![]() RH can also keep agency and reduce prices at will, if it needs to respond to competitive pressures. The DoJ isn't even forcing RH to allow discounts or abandon its most-favored status, yet that's what gets targeted in the settlement. So again... it's like the DoJ is preventing the settling publishers from engaging in otherwise legal activity. Again, we're going to wake up one day, and Amazon is going to have 80% or more of the market in ebooks and no viable competitor left standing. Try not to be shocked when it doesn't work out quite as fantabulous as you expect.... |
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The entire contracts would have been legal if they had been entered into without collusion, but that wasn't the case. Random House didn't engage in any illegal activity. Whether this results in Amazon's market share going up or down is completely irrelevant to the case at hand. |
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As an Amazon user I have a feeling that I am not going to be too worried about it.
And even if that is the end result, it is not DoJ's responsibility to help BN compete with Amazon. That is BN job. |
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