|  04-16-2012, 11:21 AM | #1 | 
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				Goldman Sachs gives Barnes and Noble new $14 price target
			 
			
			In light of the DOJ activity last week, which in my eyes could give Amazon the opportunity to go even lower in the e-book pricing war with it's competitors, I was interested in anyone's opinion on Goldman Sachs lowered forecast for Barnes and Noble.  In the research note released with their lowered $14 price target (from $15),  The analysts wrote, “We see risk to BKS from two sources: (1) Lower book prices could reduce gross margin in the ebook business, impeding an already precarious model (EBITDA losses through our forecast horizon). (2) Hastening the migration of book sales online, and away from the physical channel which, despite its secular challenges, is generating all of the firm’s free cash flow, and, in our view, most of its value.” Coupled with their decline in online physical book sales, how does Barnes and Noble navigate the rest of 2012? | 
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|  04-16-2012, 11:24 AM | #2 | 
| eBook Enthusiast            Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6 | 
			
			I don't understand what this means. What is $14? The average price of a book?
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|  04-16-2012, 11:31 AM | #3 | 
| hopeless n00b            Posts: 5,126 Karma: 19597086 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: in the middle of nowhere Device: PW4, PW3, Libra H2O, iPad 10.5, iPad 11, iPad 12.9 | |
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|  04-16-2012, 11:36 AM | #4 | 
| eBook Enthusiast            Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6 | 
			
			OK, thanks. I'm afraid the importance of this eludes me, but I'm sure it's of interest to some.
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|  04-16-2012, 11:45 AM | #5 | 
| Guru            Posts: 672 Karma: 1109784 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Paperwhite | 
			
			I just don't see how Barnes and Noble makes it 2 more years. If Amazon returns to selling ebooks below cost, they cannot match it. The Glowlight is a cool idea, but I doubt they sell many at 139 and of course they'll be forced to drop the price once Amazon launches a Kindle with that feature. The cheap android tablet market is likely to get pretty crowded soon too, so I don't expect there's a lot of future selling Nook tablets and the like. I'm no financial expert, but I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if I can take my Nook to a store to read samples and drink coffee come 2014. | 
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|  04-16-2012, 11:53 AM | #6 | |
| Professional Contrarian            Posts: 2,045 Karma: 3289631 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 4 No Touchie | Quote: 
 The analyst statement: “We see risk to BKS from two sources: (1) Lower book prices could reduce gross margin in the ebook business, impeding an already precarious model (EBITDA losses through our forecast horizon). (2) Hastening the migration of book sales online, and away from the physical channel which, despite its secular challenges, is generating all of the firm’s free cash flow, and, in our view, most of its value.” | |
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|  04-16-2012, 12:12 PM | #7 | 
| Junior Member  Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2012 Device: nook | 
			
			thank you Kali Yuga for the better explanation, and soondai for your response.   I keep hoping B&N will turn things around, but I'm just not seeing it. On a selfish note, that impacts my decision on whether to go with the new glowlight reader or consider switching e-reader companies ( I have 1 color nook that I love, and 3 sonys - one of which I still travel with - spanning back to the rocket e-reader sitting on a shelf collecting dust ). Plus, it's a part of my routine to go into the local brick and mortar B&N to find new books, new authors and read selections of books before I decide to purchase. I now have a wider variety of favorite authors I never would have tried before because of the nook/in-store reading model, and I am not looking forward to losing this. | 
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|  04-16-2012, 12:21 PM | #8 | 
| monkey on the fringe            Posts: 45,853 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show | 
			
			B&N should spin off Nook, then dump everything else. Some small Nook Boutiques coupled with a Starbucks, etc should do quite well.
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|  04-16-2012, 01:17 PM | #9 | |
| Guru            Posts: 777 Karma: 1043626 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: York, Pa Device: Kindle Paperwhite 11th Generation | Quote: 
 So to no ones surprise Barnes and Nobles is selling less and less tradtional books and it's dragging them closer and closer to closing. | |
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|  04-16-2012, 01:21 PM | #10 | 
| Spork Connoisseur            Posts: 2,355 Karma: 16780603 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: Nook Color | 
			
			That's...actually a pretty good idea.  Get their stuff in coffee shops and other casual hang-out spots like that...  Could do well for them.
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|  04-16-2012, 02:37 PM | #11 | |
| Professional Contrarian            Posts: 2,045 Karma: 3289631 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 4 No Touchie | Quote: 
 1) The bookstores still make money. Dumping something that's still profitable, even if it's headed for trouble, is suicide. 2) They can't simply terminate all their leases, return all their books and wash their hands of the brick & mortar business. 3) B&N has been losing money on the Nook, because it costs an incredible amount just to make and market the device in the first place. So you're basically recommending they dump their source of profit, for something that loses them money? 4) B&N without its stores will be a worthless hollow shell of itself. Now do you see why B&N is dwindling in the eyes of equity analysts...? | |
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|  04-16-2012, 05:40 PM | #12 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | Quote: 
 Those leases are positively toxic so they have to find ways of monetizing that relatively expensive floorspace. The one thing they most *need* to do is the one thing they *can't* easily do. The analysts in question are saying that they don't think B&N can grow their Nook income fast enough to make up the (expected) decline in pbook income. It is up to B&N management to give the lie to that assessment by executing. | |
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|  04-16-2012, 08:46 PM | #13 | 
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|  04-16-2012, 08:50 PM | #14 | 
| Is that a sandwich?            Posts: 8,314 Karma: 103930826 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus | 
			
			Stock closed up 1.3% Monday (S&P flat) to $10.92.  3 Analysts rate a buy 1 underweight 2 sell 2 hold Doesn't look like the analysts have a clear idea of the company's future. | 
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|  04-16-2012, 09:53 PM | #15 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,470 Karma: 44460032 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: near Philadelphia USA Device: Kindle Kids Edition, Fire HD 10 (11th generation) | Quote: 
 What I just wrote couldn't be less original -- it seems to me the conventional financial wisdom of professional economists. Before taking any such analysts seriously, read A Random Walk Down Wall Street. (B&N EPUB is US$19.46, and no Kindle edition. I advise used paper or the public library  ) | |
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