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Old 04-10-2012, 05:01 PM   #16
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Would still be Amazon's black eye. Same way with satellite TV. They've blanked out channels and whined about the channel provider being unfair on their contract. Don't care. Get the channel back on or I go to cable.

When a company boo-hoos over losing potential millions in profit, I don't shed a tear for them. Man up.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:02 PM   #17
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I hope not. I hope that someone does put a cork on Amazon. While it would suck that the BPH could get their books pulled...it's ridiculous that Amazon is acting in this manner.
Acting in what manner? So far we've only heard the Big 6 side and *I* don't trust anything that comes from that arena.
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Acting in what manner? So far we've only heard the Big 6 side and *I* don't trust anything that comes from that arena.
The manner of "agree to my demands or get your books pulled." That's not going into contract negations with an open mind. That is threatening your vendor. Sounds a lot like how the mob ran their protection scheme, too...
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:22 PM   #19
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The manner of "agree to my demands or get your books pulled." That's not going into contract negations with an open mind. That is threatening your vendor. Sounds a lot like how the mob ran their protection scheme, too...
While the BPH manner is "agree to our demands or we will pull our books"
That's contract negotiation.
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The manner of "agree to my demands or get your books pulled." That's not going into contract negations with an open mind. That is threatening your vendor. Sounds a lot like how the mob ran their protection scheme, too...
Sorry. Can't generate enough Amazon hate.

Until I hear something besides the publishers side, I'll withhold judgment.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:52 PM   #21
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I'm withholding judgment, too. Yes, I believe the negotiation started with BOTH sides saying "meet my demands or the books are gone". Or that's how I imagine it. It sounds about right. Isn't that how most negotiations start, extreme demands then a meeting in the middle.
All disagreements have the two opponents sides, and a truth somewhere in the middle.
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They all pulled their books at the same time?

That does sound like collusion.

They may be as bad as each other but this is a classic example of going off in a sulk with ones bat and ball...
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They all pulled their books at the same time?

That does sound like collusion.
Yes, multiple parties not signing unfavorable contract extensions while elements of said contracts are under DOJ investigation, that sure sounds collusion to me...
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Currently, Amazon is splitting revenues 30/70 with any Joe Shmoe, so are the Big 6 and IPG getting a worse deal than any guy off the street? Is 70% not enough for the Big 6 and IPG? Don't they give 50% to small retailers who sell physical books?

I'm not so sure I'm ready to jump on the Amazon Evil bandwagon. Plus the source of this article is from Salon, who has a habit of writing nasty articles about Amazon.
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Currently, Amazon is splitting revenues 30/70 with any Joe Shmoe, so are the Big 6 and IPG getting a worse deal than any guy off the street? Is 70% not enough for the Big 6 and IPG? Don't they give 50% to small retailers who sell physical books?

I'm not so sure I'm ready to jump on the Amazon Evil bandwagon. Plus the source of this article is from Salon, who has a habit of writing nasty articles about Amazon.
Yes, indeed, Salon is the sole source of the rumor. The bombshell about all of the big 6 refusing to sign annual contracts with Amazon comes right in the middle of an article about Amazon giving grants to book festivals. Odd? The author's "sekrut" industry mole was the source of the info. A writer from PaidContent looked into the story as well:
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Zaitchik told me a “source within the publishing journalism industry” and a contact at a major New York publishing house alerted him to the dispute.

People familiar with the situation confirmed to me that at least two big-six houses have refused to sign new annual contracts — but I have not yet been able to confirm that all six did so. Amazon is still fulfilling customer orders, these sources said, but is not promoting big-six houses’ books on the site or in marketing materials in ways it once did.
So, the PC writer's "people" say two won't sign...maybe more? Is there a story here? If so, what's the WHOLE story? Hard to say. We may never know.
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People familiar with the situation confirmed to me that at least two big-six houses have refused to sign new annual contracts — but I have not yet been able to confirm that all six did so. Amazon is still fulfilling customer orders, these sources said, but is not promoting big-six houses’ books on the site or in marketing materials in ways it once did.
I just noticed that. Amazon's Kindle ebooks page doesn't have any Big 6 publishers featured. You have to search a bit for the latest Grisham.
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Amazon can post a message laying the blame squarely on the big 6's shoulders in shining, blinking letters on the top of every single page of their website. That isn't going to stop a customer from looking elsewhere to get the books they want. Do you honestly think that customers will just say, "Screw those greedy publishers, I'm never buying a big 6 book again!" Really? And for how long. A day? A week? Eventually they're going to want to go elsewhere to get that book from their favorite author.

History teaches us that Amazon does not want to deal with not having *one* large publisher's books in their marketplace (Macmillan.) They won't screw themselves by banning all six publishers.

They may be able to call the bluff of the Indie publishers, but they won't be able to do it long term for the big six. The question remains, who will blink first? History tells us it will be Amazon.
Going elsewhere is easy in a lot of cases, seeing tons of them are free on the internet.

A more entertaining move would just be removing Macmillan's bestselling books - so they lose all their rankings and recommendations, etc.
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