Robustness - Page 5

Hitch · 04-05-2012, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimLL

1. If you don't know that things happen with computers, you haven't been in it very long.

2. I'm completely in the wrong place here. I've not said anything unreasonable or untrue. I've never said a small feature is a "so problematic." I didn't realize that nothing could be done unless something was "so problematic." Small things are scoffed out of town - AFTER mere mention of them is blown out of proportion by the scoffers.

3. Sigil DOES have a quirky display. But I guess that's because it's free.

4. FREE? I made my donation before I ever posted here. I guess that's so problematic too.

You're simply unwarrantedly rude, defensive, and, in this sphere, ignorant. Most of the people on this forum have actually been at this 20-30 years, myself included. You have yet to give ONE good reason why this should be changed, or why it caused you ANY type of problem, or what would be achieved by changing it. You used a program you don't understand, to create a filetype you clearly don't understand, and you're angry because it doesn't "save as" html, when you don't understand what it DOES do. Then, when everyone endeavored to a) explain WHY it doesn't "save as html," and b) find out what difficulty you encountered saving as an ePUB, you instantly launched personal attacks on everyone here.

Because you don't understand what it DOES do, or why it does it, or why changing the entire basis of the program so you can "save as html," you're having some type of public tantrum, and want it "fixed" when it isn't broken. Everyone here, believe it or not, is pretty good about listening to problems and coming up with all sorts of solutions, so if you had bothered to act like an adult for five seconds and explained WHY "saving as epub" created an issue for you, somebody would have jumped in to be helpful. Maybe your problems are the result of your stroke, but whatever they are, I'm certainly not wasting any more time trying to help you. Maybe somebody else around here has valuable time to waste trying to help someone as unbelievably hubristic as you, but I don't.

Hitch

theducks · 04-05-2012, 09:13 PM

@hitch
Hear Hear
This duck wrote his first simple assembly program for a PDP-8L using a ASR-33 and paper tape in 1973 (and has been going down hill ever since

)

Hitch · 04-06-2012, 04:13 AM

Thanks, Duckie:

I appreciate you, and all you do, as well. You're one of the very people I was thinking about when I said that folks here would eagerly pitch in to help someone. (P.S.--I was an old IBM 370 and then a PDP-11, myself--once upon a time, t'was me, a #2 lead pencil and an 80-column punch card--lord, those were the days, eh? ;-)

Hitch

Toxaris · 04-06-2012, 10:58 AM

I am not that old yet, my first steps where assembly on the Z80-processor... Still, that is almost 30 years ago....

DaleDe · 04-06-2012, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

Thanks, Duckie:

I appreciate you, and all you do, as well. You're one of the very people I was thinking about when I said that folks here would eagerly pitch in to help someone. (P.S.--I was an old IBM 370 and then a PDP-11, myself--once upon a time, t'was me, a #2 lead pencil and an 80-column punch card--lord, those were the days, eh? ;-)

Hitch

You are both whipper snappers, whatever that is. My first programming in school was on a Bendix G-15 and then graduated to IBM diagnostics on a 360 and did work with PDP-8's, 11's and Data General as well as other minis. Also microcoded some diagnostics for Disk and Tape controllers hanging off 370's. Bought my Pet in 1977.

Hitch · 04-07-2012, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

You are both whipper snappers, whatever that is. My first programming in school was on a Bendix G-15 and then graduated to IBM diagnostics on a 360 and did work with PDP-8's, 11's and Data General as well as other minis. Also microcoded some diagnostics for Disk and Tape controllers hanging off 370's. Bought my Pet in 1977.

I don't know about you, but the idea of whipping my snap sounds really painful...

Hitch

Perkin · 04-07-2012, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

I don't know about you, but the idea of whipping my snap sounds really painful...

Hitch

I dunno, snapping my whip sounds even more painful.

kcarscadden · 04-07-2012, 06:03 PM

Since Sigil is sometimes unstable, it would be nice to be able to do an immediate save, even if the epub is not correct. In this case, Sigil could prompt 'Do you really want to save an illegal epub?'. If the user responds yes, Sigil could save as ??.epub-wip. Then if ??.epub is opened, and a ??.epub-wip exists and is more recent, Sigil could prompt to see which the user wishes to open.

theducks · 04-07-2012, 07:29 PM

Illegal

or non-conforming

?

I agree that Sigil should allow a Save (as) in a error state because you might want to do a second try at a second pass replace. (The first pass may only replace the opening tag. Pass 2 will complete the task, when a 1 shot replace just won't do)

cybmole · 04-08-2012, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Illegal

or non-conforming

?

I agree that Sigil should allow a Save (as) in a error state because you might want to do a second try at a second pass replace. (The first pass may only replace the opening tag. Pass 2 will complete the task, when a 1 shot replace just won't do)

I just can't see this as high priority. I do a lot of 2 pass stuff but I've never felt compelled to save after pass 1 of 2. I save before starting the tricky stuff , and again after it's all done.

I read this stuff about "instability" but I have never lost work due to a sigil crash & cannot recall it ever crashing while editing a book

it would be nice though, in a separate thread, so see and comment on what enhancements are currently planned/wishlisted

mmat1 · 04-08-2012, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

I agree that Sigil should allow a Save (as) in a error state because you might want to do a second try at a second pass replace.

It actually allows it. Just turn off the "well-formed" checking. (what you probably will do anyway if you doing things in several passes, which cause temporarily an invalid state)

theducks · 04-08-2012, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmat1

It actually allows it. Just turn off the "well-formed" checking. (what you probably will do anyway if you doing things in several passes, which cause temporarily an invalid state)

I know that allows the second pass, but I think that will still not allow a save (without

ing your work) before the second pass.

mmat1 · 04-08-2012, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

... but I think that will still not allow a save (without

ing your work) before the second pass.

You're right, I never noticed this (and tested not carefully enough this morning

).

JimLL · 04-08-2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

There are at least 20 really top-flight html editors out there, half of them free. There are more than few new "epub-creation" programs (AWP, Jutoh, etc.) that work for those who want a Word-Processing, spell-checking, styles-drop-down, autosaving type program.

Hitch

Apps like Jutoh, etc., are great for people who are making books commercially, but over the top for home stuff done by retirees.

Furthermore, the programming I suggested is trivial.

Elfwreck · 04-08-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimLL

Apps like Jutoh, etc., are great for people who are making books commercially, but over the top for home stuff done by retirees.

Furthermore, the programming I suggested is trivial.

It's an open source program; feel free to do the programming yourself.

A crowd of people familiar with the software don't seem to see any need for the feature you want, which seems to be at cross purposes to the software itself.

Why use Sigil to edit & save HTML files? Why not use an HTML editor like Notepad++?

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Hitch Bookmaker & Cat Slave Posts: 11,503 Karma: 158448243 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Device: K2, iPad, KFire, PPW, Voyage, NookColor. 2 Droid, Oasis, Boox Note2	Thanks, Duckie: I appreciate you, and all you do, as well. You're one of the very people I was thinking about when I said that folks here would eagerly pitch in to help someone. (P.S.--I was an old IBM 370 and then a PDP-11, myself--once upon a time, t'was me, a #2 lead pencil and an 80-column punch card--lord, those were the days, eh? ;-) Hitch

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Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	I am not that old yet, my first steps where assembly on the Z80-processor... Still, that is almost 30 years ago....

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kcarscadden Zealot Posts: 141 Karma: 13776 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: semi-north Ontario, Canada (N 45.41 W -79.67) Device: iPad Air 5, Samsung Galaxy S20 FE	Since Sigil is sometimes unstable, it would be nice to be able to do an immediate save, even if the epub is not correct. In this case, Sigil could prompt 'Do you really want to save an illegal epub?'. If the user responds yes, Sigil could save as ??.epub-wip. Then if ??.epub is opened, and a ??.epub-wip exists and is more recent, Sigil could prompt to see which the user wishes to open.

04-07-2012, 07:29 PM	#69
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,093 Karma: 60358908 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Illegal or non-conforming ? I agree that Sigil should allow a Save (as) in a error state because you might want to do a second try at a second pass replace. (The first pass may only replace the opening tag. Pass 2 will complete the task, when a 1 shot replace just won't do)